Thanks

 

Amazon gets inventory a few ways:

Legitimately from the vendor

Unauthorized US vendors

Grey market from overseas

Stale/expired product

Theft rings - surprisingly large amount of product

​​​​​​Counterfeit - huge common issue that they don't care about.

Liqui-Moly says they "do not sell direct to Amazon".
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...-products/amp/

 

There are a number of international sites like this Amazon listing that show the 5006 spec for Mobil1 Exp2 which I believe has to have the Eurocar marking if you want the right one in the US.

Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W20 Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil (1L) https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01M27YIJW/...DC3BX49PRCKGVJ

There is also a direct response from Exxon corporate on the bobtheoilguy site which I cannot find anymore that says Exp2 covers the 5006 spec. Are you guys still thinking the eurocar Exp2 mobil1 is not right for the P400’s?

 

I don't think I would buy on Amazon either "just in cases" (Love Actually reference).

But there were no fewer than 4 other options shown on the Liqui Moly website for online purchases, plus local dealers were listed (including in my case an aftermarket shop that specializes in euro-cars).

Anyway when the time comes again I'll start my search here:

https://products.liqui-moly.us/top-t...e-0w-20-5.html

and probably go with one of these (assuming they are all still around):




* ECS Tuning (10L = $84 free shipping)

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-liqui_mo...ter/22044~liq/


* FCP Euro (looks like 10L is about $81.90, I think free shipping too).

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/0w-...=liquimolysite

* USP Motorsports (10L is $111.84 w/ tax, free shipping):

https://www.uspmotorsports.com/Liqui...LiquiMoly_Site

* Pelican Parts (10L = $115 plus $16 and change for shipping)

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_In...pn=22044-M1457

So looks like plenty of availability.

Kev

EDIT - and If I go the first link (Liqui Moly site) and change from the 1L bottle to the 5L bottle and then click where to buy it brings up 3 of the same retailers but with direct links to the 5L bottles which make it even cheaper, for instance:

FCP Euro - $38.49/5L bottle or $76.98 for two of them

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/0w-...=liquimolysite

 

I can’t believe I have to keep explaining to people that Alice in Wonderland is nothing but a story for children.

OIL SPECS CHANGE. I’m not talking about what’s in your owners handbook or who paid JLR to brand the oil filler neck caps. I’m talking about the oil manufacturers themselves and all the agencies. The International Lubricants Standardization and Approval Committee (ILSAC) or the American Petroleum Institute (API) are constantly changeling & improving oil manufacturing specifications.

In my 1995 Jaguar XJ6 the only specification was 20W-50 for North America. After Ford bought Jaguar and then Land Rover they begin to get more specific and oil standards improved vastly.

Because of that, you are not going to find oil manufactured to the old standards as the new specifications always supersede the old because they are improvements!

Some people in these forums will swear on their lives that the dealer (Or a mechanic) told them they were getting whatever is in the manual because in a way they are, but it’s because the replacement is better. They don’t have the time to preach to you how oil manufacturing continually seeks to improve itself so they may just ‘tell you’ you’re getting whatever you asked for.

Seriously! Too many people in this world think they know more than they actually do. That’s why politicians are employed. The current comparable spec for my 2017 Land Rover Discover L462 gas 3.0LV6 SC is STJLR.51.5122.

The STJLR.51.5122 is a Jaguar Land Rover engine oil specification that requires a 0W-20 viscosity grade and is typically associated with a Mid SAPS (Mid Sulphated Ash Phosphorus Sulfur) formulation for improved fuel economy and longer oil change intervals. It corresponds to the ACEA C5 oil specification and is designed for gasoline engines.

ACEA C5 and ILSAC GF-7A are distinct oil specifications, with C5 being a European standard focused on fuel economy and aftertreatment compatibility for modern gasoline and diesel engines, while GF-7A is a newer global standard with a focus on improved fuel economy, protection against low-speed pre-ignition (LSPI), and reduced timing chain and piston wear in modern engines. While both are designed for fuel efficiency and high-performance engines, GF-7A is a more recent specification that addresses newer challenges like LSPI and has tighter test limits than its predecessors.

All of these new ILSAC specifications, including ACEA/API are backwards compatible. So as long as you were buying the newest oil that meets the viscosity your manufacturer recommends for where you live and what type of engine you have, you will be fine.

Consider this; pretty much everyone in these forums have a JLR vehicle that’s probably five years or older. The new ones under warranty get dealer service. You wouldn’t want gasoline that old in your car, why would you want old oil? Petroleum products break down over time.

 

No one is asking you to explain squat. Offer your thoughts or don't.

Hell no. Dealer fees. No thanks. My Defender has never been serviced by the dealer.

 

The Special Tec LR SAE 0W-20 has the STJLR.51.5122 spec printed on the bottle and is available in the US. It's carried in specialty parts stores.

 

The LR spec oil is available almost everywhere.

I've been using TopTec from Liquimoly as it meets the most up to date LR spec. But I'll switch to Castrol next time.

The OEM Castrol on Amazon or Walmart is a better option now as the price has gone down. $26 for 5qts free shipping.

The current cost of a 30 minute DIY oil and change is now a whopping. $61.52 plus tax.

 

I've gone back to the TopTec from Amazon for now. I bought the Castrol from Amazon and they sent the old version that doesn't meet either of the JLR specs, even though the product page showed the version that does. At Walmart you can confirm the version before buying, so that's probably a good option.

 

I don’t see this US supplier listed but this is where I have been going - Atlantic British that stock the JLR Castrol Professional to spec:

https://www.roverparts.com/engine/mo...ives/CS15AF6F/

or the full kit ( I have not ordered one of these - only the individuals above )

https://www.roverparts.com/filters/kits/OCK530/