PLUMB Land Rover Accessories
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We've all seen carbon fiber yellowing (911 interior parts), clear coat adhesion failure (M3/M4 roofs), and delamination or other damage to the weave -- it appears the clear coat here isn't up to the job and failed. Is that right?
Either way I have no idea why they make these out of carbon fiber. If they were good black plastic, I'd be much more likely to buy them. I've never had a carbon fiber exterior part last more than a few years. Including factory parts (roof, hood, etc). Also the carbon fiber drives *up* the price point to the high level... so for me, carbon fiber exterior trim pieces are really a poor idea.
Either way I have no idea why they make these out of carbon fiber. If they were good black plastic, I'd be much more likely to buy them. I've never had a carbon fiber exterior part last more than a few years. Including factory parts (roof, hood, etc). Also the carbon fiber drives *up* the price point to the high level... so for me, carbon fiber exterior trim pieces are really a poor idea.
#24
I get "Carbon Fiber" for motorcycles when your trying to save as much weight as you can to go faster (guilty). But for the Defender? hmm.. I like many would've happily bought these if they were NON carbon fiber and sub $300 range, but niche products bring the niche prices. The photos from the OP look terrifying, especially knowing you need to use rivets to secure these to the truck. You can't just unbolt these, drilling is required. But I guess the riveted part is just the base plate that the boxes are mounted to. Still... It all seems like a headache to deal with. Hope you get it resolved.
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We've all seen carbon fiber yellowing (911 interior parts), clear coat adhesion failure (M3/M4 roofs), and delamination or other damage to the weave -- it appears the clear coat here isn't up to the job and failed. Is that right?
Either way I have no idea why they make these out of carbon fiber. If they were good black plastic, I'd be much more likely to buy them. I've never had a carbon fiber exterior part last more than a few years. Including factory parts (roof, hood, etc). Also the carbon fiber drives *up* the price point to the high level... so for me, carbon fiber exterior trim pieces are really a poor idea.
Either way I have no idea why they make these out of carbon fiber. If they were good black plastic, I'd be much more likely to buy them. I've never had a carbon fiber exterior part last more than a few years. Including factory parts (roof, hood, etc). Also the carbon fiber drives *up* the price point to the high level... so for me, carbon fiber exterior trim pieces are really a poor idea.
Last edited by WAFOX; 11-28-2023 at 02:03 AM.
#26
I hope he reaches out to PLUMB because I would really like to know the answer. Most of the issues outlined in the thread are resin issues whether its cracking or yellowing. It does almost appear as if the carbon fiber finish is rubbing off or the resin is clouding which at 2k is insane. I wish someone would just make aluminum enclosures and sell them for 500 bucks….they would clean up.
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GrouseK9 (11-28-2023)
#27
Simon at PowerfulUk had a video where he mentioned he was thinking about making a D-Pillar storage option. To each their own: I know a LOT of folks like the carbon fiber look. There's a lot of Defenders tricked out that their owners love, just in styles that aren't my jam. Carbon Fiber is on my nope list. Admire it on others' but I just don't even wash mine on any consistent basis. If it were just a plain material: some sort of plastic, metal, whatever, I'd be more likely to purchse it and it would likely be much less. Definitely keep us posted re: if Plumb says anything. Or whoever you sourced it from. I think it would be ironic if you picked up a version that was already a knockoff of a Chinese product! Good luck, I'm crossing my fingers for you that it gets worked out.
#28
not associated with plumb in anyway but my gut feeling there is a little more going on here.
as mentioned i have been around carbon fiber for a long time. the epoxy clear coat can yellow under heat in engine bays or start deteriorating under uv over time.
from the looks of the pictures some chemical used on it is causing the epoxy to react. could be a car wash you went too or some product they used . Or it’s defected you never know. but i have never seen something like that in short a period of time. Just my two cents
as mentioned i have been around carbon fiber for a long time. the epoxy clear coat can yellow under heat in engine bays or start deteriorating under uv over time.
from the looks of the pictures some chemical used on it is causing the epoxy to react. could be a car wash you went too or some product they used . Or it’s defected you never know. but i have never seen something like that in short a period of time. Just my two cents
#29
not associated with plumb in anyway but my gut feeling there is a little more going on here.
as mentioned i have been around carbon fiber for a long time. the epoxy clear coat can yellow under heat in engine bays or start deteriorating under uv over time.
from the looks of the pictures some chemical used on it is causing the epoxy to react. could be a car wash you went too or some product they used . Or it’s defected you never know. but i have never seen something like that in short a period of time. Just my two cents
as mentioned i have been around carbon fiber for a long time. the epoxy clear coat can yellow under heat in engine bays or start deteriorating under uv over time.
from the looks of the pictures some chemical used on it is causing the epoxy to react. could be a car wash you went too or some product they used . Or it’s defected you never know. but i have never seen something like that in short a period of time. Just my two cents
I did reach out to Plumb before uploading the images and gave them the option to rectify before going public.
Before having to remove the mounting plates (which have rivets and need to be drilled out), I've sent the boxes to the shop to have them painted black and see how it looks/holds. Will provide pictures when ready.
Last edited by DEFENDER2023; 12-01-2023 at 07:19 AM.
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WAFOX (12-01-2023)
#30
While I think its sucks to see the level of quality over time and I definitely wont be getting them. I have seen them painted black and the PLUMB badging removed and they look really really good. They fit the car well, look stealth, and in my opinion match the aesthetic of the defender better.
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WAFOX (12-01-2023)