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Old Nov 25, 2024 | 09:54 PM
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P400 is great. I've had multiple other LR's w/ that 5.0 SC v8 and couldn't stomach another one and the bull**** 80k mile life of that motor. P400 is better suited and more modern for the L663 platform, in my opinion. Exhaust is great, otherwise... btdt. Paddle shifters are nice though.

V8 is like ... exactly like my 2014 RRS. And my 2010 RRS. And my 2017 SVR. And my 2013 RRS. And in non SC trim like my 2010 LR4. And my 2013 LR4.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nashvegas
P400 is great. I've had multiple other LR's w/ that 5.0 SC v8 and couldn't stomach another one and the bull**** 80k mile life of that motor. P400 is better suited and more modern for the L663 platform, in my opinion.
^This. I did get one Ford-based LR4 V8 to 200K miles but it required replacing the stupid plastic coolant lines twice as they dry out, get brittle and crumble. Plus 2 leaking valve cover gasket repairs that dripped oil into the alternator and killed 2 alternators and batteries. Ever see how many nice LR4's are for sale for $10K that need a $12K engine?

P400 seems to be built far better and the 110 in sport mode feels far faster than the LR4 V8. I drive the Merritt Parkway a lot and have no problem with the 50 foot long on-ramps in sport mode.

 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulLR
^This. I did get one Ford-based LR4 V8 to 200K miles but it required replacing the stupid plastic coolant lines twice as they dry out, get brittle and crumble.
The AJ133 V8 is actually a completely in-house Jaguar design. Many people think it is related to the 5.0 Coyote V8, but it isn't. It was developed under Ford's ownership of JLR and was manufactured in by Ford for JLR at their Bridgend plant in Wales until 2020, when production was moved to JLR's Wolverhampton engine factory after Ford closed down Bridgend.

I absolutely love the 5.0, and I'm seriously considering an F-Type R for my first sports car if I can't find the right 981 Boxster. I did not like the problems like you mentioned. I went through three sets of coolant lines in the ten years and 95k miles I had my LR4. I would happily own another one, but I'd replace all coolant lines with aftermarket metal ones, which are easily available. They also have recently updated the main plastic crossover pipe to be more durable, but only time will tell.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulLR
^This. I did get one Ford-based LR4 V8 to 200K miles but it required replacing the stupid plastic coolant lines twice as they dry out, get brittle and crumble. Plus 2 leaking valve cover gasket repairs that dripped oil into the alternator and killed 2 alternators and batteries. Ever see how many nice LR4's are for sale for $10K that need a $12K engine?

P400 seems to be built far better and the 110 in sport mode feels far faster than the LR4 V8. I drive the Merritt Parkway a lot and have no problem with the 50 foot long on-ramps in sport mode.
Couldn't resist to commiserate with you on the LR4 valve cover leak killing an alternator. Mine happened to die in the middle of a busy street in Charleston SC while we were on a family vacation 200+ miles from home On it's way out the alternator belt destroyed my AC condenser as well, good times
 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ZGASPEN
A little late to the response, but a timely thread for me. Current family stable of 2022 X5 M50i, XC60 and XC90 with the M50 being my daily. This week ordering a 110 X-Dynamic in the extended windsor trim and both offroad packages (reverting to all season). V8 likely excessive for a truck, but considering.

Given what you've said, I'd say you'd be equally as happy with those long haul trips as I expect to be.

We live in the mountains in a rural area 20-25 minutes outside of town with a LR dealer in range (but no BMW) where Defenders are common and seem to have replaced the RRS and RR. We had two new LR4's that saw frequent offroad use, as would a Defender, and I miss that. Hwy and long road trip performance is a must for me. The BMW is the winner there, but I think the LR will do just fine (as the LR4s had back in the day).

My pros and cons:

Pros-
-Defender is the better all rounder for us.
-Obvious off road capability.
-Even better in snow (with winter tires)

-Love the swing tailgate. Storage not best in class, but very well thought out and accessible.
-Heated windshield. Such a plus in frequent storms driving at night. You won't notice it after a few weeks.
-It looks great.
-Easy to get in and out.
-Rear easy to clean.
-Useful interior overall.
-Front and rear fog lights helpful in frequent storms.
-I'm sure there are many others I'm forgetting.


Cons-
-Headlights. I don't think these will even come close to BMW's adaptive laser lights.
-No pedestrian night vision.
-No traffic jam assist as you say.
-No emergency stop assistance (and another of safe features you also mention).
-Speed limiter option could be dangerous and seems unnecessary.
-Interior is not as comfortable as BMW (I know, first world problem. It's a truck, not a BMW, but you get used to things like massaging seats, heated arms rests and center console, sky lounge, etc.). I can live with this.
-Cockpit is not ergonomic like the BMW screen that wraps slightly towards the driver. I'm sure you get used to on the road.

In a way, these two vehicles shouldn't be cross shopped. They're completely different, but I know in different parts of the country they're used less as a 4x4 than others and are fantastic family vehicles.

Hopefully no one flames me for my cons and maybe you find something in my response helpful. We're both making a similar transition. I'm returning to LR for sure.

Good luck with your decision (and order)!
Just finished reading your post and was unsure about a few items you noted. What is the ‘pedestrian night vision’ you refer to? And ‘traffic jam assist’. That is a feature I never heard of. I’ll welcome anything that eliminates a traffic backup. How is that employed? And as far as your mention of the Defender lacking ‘Emergency stop assistance’, it does have Emergency Braking, if that is what you are referring to. If not, please explain, as I have not heard of that term.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by WTFChuck
Just finished reading your post and was unsure about a few items you noted. What is the ‘pedestrian night vision’ you refer to? And ‘traffic jam assist’. That is a feature I never heard of. I’ll welcome anything that eliminates a traffic backup. How is that employed? And as far as your mention of the Defender lacking ‘Emergency stop assistance’, it does have Emergency Braking, if that is what you are referring to. If not, please explain, as I have not heard of that term.
Night vision is literally night vision. It has been a feature in many high-end German cars for the past 20 years or so. It uses a night vision camera in the bumper or grille and can detect animals, pedestrians and other obstacles further than the headlight beam. See the picture below from an Audi Q7. I don't have it on my Q7, as it was around a $3000 stand-alone option IIRC, and while cool, I didn't think it was worth it.




Traffic Jam Assist usually refers to the combination of full-speed adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist working together to keep the car centered in a traffic jam under 40 mph, which is the industry standard. It basically is a level 2 semi-autonomous driving assistant for low speeds. I have it in my Audi, and I could care less about it. I've maybe used it three times in the seven years I've had it. I can drive my car myself better than it can drive itself, thank you very much.

 
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Old Nov 26, 2024 | 09:55 AM
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I've got a 20 year old Raytheon night vision setup on my daily, and I've used it maybe 5 times, all have been with people in the truck and being like "watch me drive my truck at night with the sunvisor blocking my entire view of the road".... aka never has it proven a value-added feature.

I can see the traffic jam assist being helpful if you drive in congested areas with lots of stop and go traffic but - being in software development myself, and being friends with self-driving car developers - I wouldn't trust any of these systems a single iota. Remember, it can work 99.9% of the time, but that 0.1% only has to happen once for it to really ruin your day (or your life).

 
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Old Nov 27, 2024 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMoonMan00
Couldn't resist to commiserate with you on the LR4 valve cover leak killing an alternator. Mine happened to die in the middle of a busy street in Charleston SC while we were on a family vacation 200+ miles from home On it's way out the alternator belt destroyed my AC condenser as well, good times
Sorry to hear you had that happen on vacation. I was 40 minutes from the closest dealer when the giant battery symbol lit up on the LR4 dashboard and barely made it there on battery power. It's as if these vehicles know when to act evil. On a family vacation trip to the Jersey shore with the LR3 packed, the entire dashboard became the Christmas tree of death while on the George Washington bridge and it went into limp mode. I crawled down the breakdown lane to the next rest stop and thankfully had a spare brake pedal switch in the glove box. It was a known issue that this $39 FoMoCo part would fail and shut down the LR3.
 

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