Tried to fix high idle...Now cranks but won't start
#11
No CEL with key on? There is your problem, the alarm will not allow the ECU to run the truck. Check over EVERYTHING you have touched since it last was able to run. Have you used the key to lock or unlock the door? Do you have the fob for the truck? If you do, use that to lock and unlock the doors, you may get lucky. Try turning the key on and off several times. The alarm unit is under the passenger side dash, near the kick panel. It's a green bitch, er, BOX. Try playing around with the wires? Maybe you have a bad connection there? There are 2 plugs that go into it.
One thing though...
Like savannah_buzz, I was also under the impression that if a non-start was alarm related that the starter would not get power and thus engine would not even crank. Is that not the case?
#13
I do have a functional key fob.
#14
So we are both right - the alarm is not tripped, so it is not inhibiting crank. And perhaps it is armed, and ECU thinks it is not the right time to turn on sparks, etc. Sort of an out of sync condition. Certainly would arm itself, if battery when dead while truck was locked, and a new battery instaled (it assumes last state). That's immobilzation, abd it happens everytime the system arms.
Look at the alarm LED:
and immobilised
and this:
Engine management if inhibited would keep the engine light and other things from powering up.
So if alarm LED is on or blinking need to go thru that reset dance.
I'll have to award points to Higgs on this one. But I'm not sure why the alarm would not have gone off by now, opening doors, etc.
Look at the alarm LED:
Theft Alarm LED
Slow Flash: Immobilised or immobilised and armed
Rapid Flash: Volumetrically armed
Intermittent Rapid Flash: Perimetrically armed
No Flash for 10 Seconds: Mislock
Continuous: Driver’s door open (or ignition on)
and immobilised
and this:
ENGINE IMMOBILISATION FUNCTION
The engine will be immobilised whenever the theft
alarm is armed.
The vehicle may only be mobilised by using the
handset or the driver’s door key.
The electronic engine immobilisation is controlled
jointly by the engine management system’s
Electronic Control Module (ECM) (Z132) and the
Theft Alarm Unit (Z163).
When the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163) immobilises the
vehicle, it sends a signal to the ECM. The ECM then
immobilises the engine management system until a
mobilise signal is received from the Theft Alarm Unit
(Z163).alarm is armed.
The vehicle may only be mobilised by using the
handset or the driver’s door key.
The electronic engine immobilisation is controlled
jointly by the engine management system’s
Electronic Control Module (ECM) (Z132) and the
Theft Alarm Unit (Z163).
When the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163) immobilises the
vehicle, it sends a signal to the ECM. The ECM then
immobilises the engine management system until a
mobilise signal is received from the Theft Alarm Unit
Engine management if inhibited would keep the engine light and other things from powering up.
So if alarm LED is on or blinking need to go thru that reset dance.
I'll have to award points to Higgs on this one. But I'm not sure why the alarm would not have gone off by now, opening doors, etc.
#16
If you have the fob follow these directions.
1. Disconnect the battery ground cable
2. Hold the hood switch in the depressed position and put the cable back on.
3.Close the hood.
4. Use the fob to lock and unlock the doors.
5. If you have no key fob use the key to lock and then unlock the DRIVERS door. Be certain to turn it completely in both directions and return to center.
1. Disconnect the battery ground cable
2. Hold the hood switch in the depressed position and put the cable back on.
3.Close the hood.
4. Use the fob to lock and unlock the doors.
5. If you have no key fob use the key to lock and then unlock the DRIVERS door. Be certain to turn it completely in both directions and return to center.
Afterwards, I believe a fob re-sync occurs.
HANDSET TRANSMITTER RESYNCHRONISATION
The Theft Alarm Unit (Z163) will remain
synchronised with the handset unless:
synchronised with the handset unless:
The handset’s batteries have been removed
The vehicle’s battery has been disconnected
NOTE: All handsets must be resynchronised when
the vehicle’s battery has been disconnected.
To resynchronise a handset the vehicle must be in
an unlocked and disarmed state. Resynchronisation
consists of 4 presses of either the lock or unlock
NOTE: All handsets must be resynchronised when
the vehicle’s battery has been disconnected.
To resynchronise a handset the vehicle must be in
an unlocked and disarmed state. Resynchronisation
consists of 4 presses of either the lock or unlock
button.
After I press the lock button 4 times, the vehicle locks on the 4th and the theft LED does a rapid flash (volumetric?) followed by a slow flash (armed/immobilized?).
At this point, I hit the unlock button, I get in the car, close driver door, and still get no CEL at key position 2.
One thing I noticed, I only get the rapid/slow flash after the initial lock following Higgs' reset procedure.
All following locks with the fob give me the mislock flash (LED off for 10sec, then slow pulse):
Partially armed mode
If a door, tailgate or bonnet [hood] is left open when
the system is armed, the LED will not light for 10
seconds indicating a mislock condition. Hazard lights
will not flash. If an open door or tailgate is causing the
mislock, the starter motor is disabled. The alarm will
sound if ignition is turned to start position. If an open
bonnet [hood] is causing the mislock the starter motor
is disabled. The alarm will arm the volumetric part of
the system. If the door tailgate or bonnet [hood] is
subsequently closed, after a 5 second delay, the
doors will unlock and immediately lock and the system
will fully arm.the system is armed, the LED will not light for 10
seconds indicating a mislock condition. Hazard lights
will not flash. If an open door or tailgate is causing the
mislock, the starter motor is disabled. The alarm will
sound if ignition is turned to start position. If an open
bonnet [hood] is causing the mislock the starter motor
is disabled. The alarm will arm the volumetric part of
the system. If the door tailgate or bonnet [hood] is
subsequently closed, after a 5 second delay, the
doors will unlock and immediately lock and the system
All my doors are shut and a brick is still on the hood switch, so I dont know why I am getting a mislock.
Will faulty door and/or hood switches cause that?
Will this test be of use?
BUILT IN TEST PROCEDURE
The built in test procedure is accessed as follows:
1. Starting conditions: ignition off, doors unlocked,
alarm disarmed, bonnet switch depressed.
2. Carry out instructions 3 to 7 within 2 seconds.
3. Release bonnet switch.
4. Switch ignition on.
5. Open driver’s door.
6. Switch ignition off.
7. Switch ignition on.
If alarm is correctly accessed, the horns will sound
briefly and the Theft Alarm LED and hazard lamps
will flash. The following checks can then be made:1. Starting conditions: ignition off, doors unlocked,
alarm disarmed, bonnet switch depressed.
2. Carry out instructions 3 to 7 within 2 seconds.
3. Release bonnet switch.
4. Switch ignition on.
5. Open driver’s door.
6. Switch ignition off.
7. Switch ignition on.
If alarm is correctly accessed, the horns will sound
briefly and the Theft Alarm LED and hazard lamps
Perimetric Testing
1. Open and close driver’s door or tailgate – Theft
Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
2. Depress and release bonnet switch – Theft
Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
3. Pull the driver’s door sill button up – Theft alarm
LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
4. Turn driver’s door key lock cylinder – Theft Alarm
LED and Hazard lamps will flash.Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
2. Depress and release bonnet switch – Theft
Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
3. Pull the driver’s door sill button up – Theft alarm
LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
4. Turn driver’s door key lock cylinder – Theft Alarm
#17
BAck up to hit unlock button and get in the truck. At that point the alarm does not sound, or flash lights, and the LED is out on the dash?
Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).
But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.
From RAVE:
Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).
But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.
From RAVE:
The Theft Alarm LED receives battery voltage at all
times. It is grounded by the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163)
to indicate the following conditions:
times. It is grounded by the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163)
to indicate the following conditions:
Slow Flash = Immobilised or Immobilised and
armed
armed
Rapid Flash = Perimetrically and Volumetrically
armed
armed
Intermittent Rapid Flash = Perimetrically armed
No Flash for 10 Seconds = Mislock
Continuous = Driver’s door open (or ignition on)
and Immobilised
So when you open driver door, what does the alarm light do? What does it do when you turn to position 2? If it does not come on, then alarm should be out of the picture, unless module is fried.
and Immobilised
So when you open driver door, what does the alarm light do? What does it do when you turn to position 2? If it does not come on, then alarm should be out of the picture, unless module is fried.
#18
BAck up to hit unlock button and get in the truck. At that point the alarm does not sound, or flash lights, and the LED is out on the dash?
Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).
But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.
Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).
But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.
So when you open driver door, what does the alarm light do? What does it do when you turn to position 2? If it does not come on, then alarm should be out of the picture, unless module is fried.
Yup, when I unlock the door and get in, no LED, no alarm.
Im not sure what the LED does when I go to position 2.
R.e. fried module, would that be the engine or alarm ECU?
If it is fried, what do I do?
#19
#20
1. The GEMS ECU is programmed to expect the alarm to be there, and with immobilization, it expects to be sent a psuedo random code at each attempt to start, which it compares to a list inside the ECU, if they agree, start truck. So if the alarm is off, and it is not talking to the ECU, ECU thinks you are trying to straightwire the truck and steal it. The GEMS and the Lucas 10AS alarm system have lots of program options that can be adjusted with something a lot more sophisticated than a code scanner. While you can disable the inhibit cranking, you would have to program the ECU not to look for an alarm system.
2. Generally, if there is enough power to spin the starter there is enough to make a spark.
3. Do you have a volt meter?
2. Generally, if there is enough power to spin the starter there is enough to make a spark.
3. Do you have a volt meter?