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Old 02-22-2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
No CEL with key on? There is your problem, the alarm will not allow the ECU to run the truck. Check over EVERYTHING you have touched since it last was able to run. Have you used the key to lock or unlock the door? Do you have the fob for the truck? If you do, use that to lock and unlock the doors, you may get lucky. Try turning the key on and off several times. The alarm unit is under the passenger side dash, near the kick panel. It's a green bitch, er, BOX. Try playing around with the wires? Maybe you have a bad connection there? There are 2 plugs that go into it.
I will look into the ECU/Alarm as well. Sounds like you can disconnect the battery cables and touch them together and/or do a 1515 key lock trick.

One thing though...

Like savannah_buzz, I was also under the impression that if a non-start was alarm related that the starter would not get power and thus engine would not even crank. Is that not the case?
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:52 AM
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The alarm can be armed yet still allow the engine to crank over. No CEL in pos II+ NO START! I guarantee it.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
Did you have the battery disconnected? If you connected it without holding the hood switch down you caused the alarm to arm.

Do you have the key fob to lock and unlock the doors? I'm certain the alarm is armed, causing the no CEL in pos II and thus no spark.
The hood has been open since I got the truck into the garage. I have disconnected the battery many times due to my stuck shifter/key issue and have had successful starts.

I do have a functional key fob.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:16 PM
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So we are both right - the alarm is not tripped, so it is not inhibiting crank. And perhaps it is armed, and ECU thinks it is not the right time to turn on sparks, etc. Sort of an out of sync condition. Certainly would arm itself, if battery when dead while truck was locked, and a new battery instaled (it assumes last state). That's immobilzation, abd it happens everytime the system arms.

Look at the alarm LED:

Theft Alarm LED

Slow Flash: Immobilised or immobilised and armed


Rapid Flash: Volumetrically armed


Intermittent Rapid Flash: Perimetrically armed


No Flash for 10 Seconds: Mislock


Continuous: Driver’s door open (or ignition on)

and immobilised

and this:

ENGINE IMMOBILISATION FUNCTION
The engine will be immobilised whenever the theft
alarm is armed.
The vehicle may only be mobilised by using the
handset or the driver’s door key.
The electronic engine immobilisation is controlled
jointly by the engine management system’s
Electronic Control Module (ECM) (Z132) and the
Theft Alarm Unit (Z163).
When the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163) immobilises the
vehicle, it sends a signal to the ECM. The ECM then
immobilises the engine management system until a
mobilise signal is received from the Theft Alarm Unit
(Z163).

Engine management if inhibited would keep the engine light and other things from powering up.

So if alarm LED is on or blinking need to go thru that reset dance.

I'll have to award points to Higgs on this one. But I'm not sure why the alarm would not have gone off by now, opening doors, etc.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:21 PM
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Thanks for all the help!

I will look into the alarm/ECU when I get home and will hopefully have good news tomorrow...
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
If you have the fob follow these directions.
1. Disconnect the battery ground cable
2. Hold the hood switch in the depressed position and put the cable back on.
3.Close the hood.
4. Use the fob to lock and unlock the doors.
5. If you have no key fob use the key to lock and then unlock the DRIVERS door. Be certain to turn it completely in both directions and return to center.
Ok, I followed these instructions using a brick to hold the hood switch down.

Afterwards, I believe a fob re-sync occurs.

HANDSET TRANSMITTER RESYNCHRONISATION
The Theft Alarm Unit (Z163) will remain
synchronised with the handset unless:

The handset’s batteries have been removed


The vehicle’s battery has been disconnected
NOTE: All handsets must be resynchronised when
the vehicle’s battery has been disconnected.
To resynchronise a handset the vehicle must be in
an unlocked and disarmed state. Resynchronisation
consists of 4 presses of either the lock or unlock

button.

After I press the lock button 4 times, the vehicle locks on the 4th and the theft LED does a rapid flash (volumetric?) followed by a slow flash (armed/immobilized?).

At this point, I hit the unlock button, I get in the car, close driver door, and still get no CEL at key position 2.

One thing I noticed, I only get the rapid/slow flash after the initial lock following Higgs' reset procedure.

All following locks with the fob give me the mislock flash (LED off for 10sec, then slow pulse):

Partially armed mode
If a door, tailgate or bonnet [hood] is left open when
the system is armed, the LED will not light for 10
seconds indicating a mislock condition. Hazard lights
will not flash. If an open door or tailgate is causing the
mislock, the starter motor is disabled. The alarm will
sound if ignition is turned to start position. If an open
bonnet [hood] is causing the mislock the starter motor
is disabled. The alarm will arm the volumetric part of
the system. If the door tailgate or bonnet [hood] is
subsequently closed, after a 5 second delay, the
doors will unlock and immediately lock and the system
will fully arm.

All my doors are shut and a brick is still on the hood switch, so I dont know why I am getting a mislock.

Will faulty door and/or hood switches cause that?

Will this test be of use?

BUILT IN TEST PROCEDURE
The built in test procedure is accessed as follows:
1. Starting conditions: ignition off, doors unlocked,
alarm disarmed, bonnet switch depressed.
2. Carry out instructions 3 to 7 within 2 seconds.
3. Release bonnet switch.
4. Switch ignition on.
5. Open driver’s door.
6. Switch ignition off.
7. Switch ignition on.
If alarm is correctly accessed, the horns will sound
briefly and the Theft Alarm LED and hazard lamps
will flash. The following checks can then be made:

Perimetric Testing
1. Open and close driver’s door or tailgate – Theft
Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
2. Depress and release bonnet switch – Theft
Alarm LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
3. Pull the driver’s door sill button up – Theft alarm
LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
4. Turn driver’s door key lock cylinder – Theft Alarm
LED and Hazard lamps will flash.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:50 AM
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BAck up to hit unlock button and get in the truck. At that point the alarm does not sound, or flash lights, and the LED is out on the dash?

Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).

But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.

From RAVE:

The Theft Alarm LED receives battery voltage at all
times. It is grounded by the Theft Alarm Unit (Z163)
to indicate the following conditions:

Slow Flash = Immobilised or Immobilised and
armed


Rapid Flash = Perimetrically and Volumetrically
armed


Intermittent Rapid Flash = Perimetrically armed


No Flash for 10 Seconds = Mislock


Continuous = Driver’s door open (or ignition on)
and Immobilised

So when you open driver door, what does the alarm light do? What does it do when you turn to position 2? If it does not come on, then alarm should be out of the picture, unless module is fried.


 
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Originally Posted by Savannah Buzz
BAck up to hit unlock button and get in the truck. At that point the alarm does not sound, or flash lights, and the LED is out on the dash?

Mislock could happen if you have a bad door switch as well (doesn't have to be an open door).

But if you are "no red light after disarm", then alarm should be off.


So when you open driver door, what does the alarm light do? What does it do when you turn to position 2? If it does not come on, then alarm should be out of the picture, unless module is fried.



Yup, when I unlock the door and get in, no LED, no alarm.

Im not sure what the LED does when I go to position 2.

R.e. fried module, would that be the engine or alarm ECU?

If it is fried, what do I do?

 
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couple other questions...

1. Will bypassing the spider, as detailed in the alarm sticky, fix this?

2. Will bad battery cables (or some other power line) allow for enough power to have "normal" dash lighting, yet not enough power to create spark?
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:42 PM
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1. The GEMS ECU is programmed to expect the alarm to be there, and with immobilization, it expects to be sent a psuedo random code at each attempt to start, which it compares to a list inside the ECU, if they agree, start truck. So if the alarm is off, and it is not talking to the ECU, ECU thinks you are trying to straightwire the truck and steal it. The GEMS and the Lucas 10AS alarm system have lots of program options that can be adjusted with something a lot more sophisticated than a code scanner. While you can disable the inhibit cranking, you would have to program the ECU not to look for an alarm system.

2. Generally, if there is enough power to spin the starter there is enough to make a spark.

3. Do you have a volt meter?
 


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