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Changing Brakes....tires wont budge!

Old Apr 20, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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Hello guys! So, I set out today to change the brake pads on my 02 Dico, but, as crazy as it sounds, I can not get the tires off to save my life! Any suggestions???? thanks!

I guess I should be a bit more specific.......do the caps over the lug nuts come off.....and if so how??? They are not budging for me???
 
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Default RE: Changing Brakes....tires wont budge!

I had the same problem when I had a flat, I used a rubber mallet to beat tire until it broke loose.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 02:14 PM
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the caps stay on the lug nut i asked the same question you need like a 1 1/8" socket to take the lug nuts off and my tires came off my 98 with no problem
 
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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Hello Flygirl
This is what happens when they use impact wrenches. when you have your tires done ask them not to use animpact wrench. they say, they are set to a torque setting I don't think so. I asked one place who rotated my tires after using an impact wrench, even with my four way he couldn't get it off. so, try an impact wrench with a socket or get a large 4way tire wrench and a small sissor jack place the 4 way on the wheel lug and the other on the top of the jack and get some heavy guy to basically stand on the 4 way and sort of bounce on it till it gives. and it will. just be careful with the balancing act. I wouldn't use anyW-D 40or anything else. hope this helps
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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Are you using the tire iron that comes with the truck? They are pretty short and it's hard to get good leverage with them. Either stand on it or put a long pipe over the handle for leverage, or both. The nuts can be very tight and get corroded, you probablyjust need to break them loose. If that's the case, you may want to put a small amount of grease on the threads when reinstalling and don't forget to retorque the nuts after 50 miles or so.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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It is because of the impact wrench. The lug nuts "stretch" and then your tire tool will not fit tight enough to hold the tin caps inplace to get a grip on the actual lug.
I bought a 6 point socket and used pen/lube, a hammer, breaker bar and channel locks, lube the lug, beat the socket on with the hammer, remove the lug, and then use the channel locks and hold the socket and beat the thing on the cement until the lug comes out. Now repeat this 20 times.
2 hours later you will never let anybody else remove the tires from your trk.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Lug nuts don't stretch, that isn't the problem here. Every single shop, tire or whatever, uses impact wrenches. The reason you probably can't get the lug nuts broken loose is because of the torque that is required to break the lugs loose. I don't know the factory torque specs on the lugs, but I'm going to guess because of the designed use for this vehicle and the weight of the lugs themselves the torque spec must be very high. The torque specs on my M3 are very high and I've never had an issue. Also, make sure you have a good impact wrench that has the ability to break the lugs loose. i have a very good wrench, but even then it is very difficult because of the torque specs.

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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Just get a longer bar. It multiplies the torque, and without the whole 'fattie balancing act' trick.

Ranges come with the typical short tire iron, but then also a 2 piece bar that you fit over the short iron, giving you ~5 feet of leverage to get the lugs off. I havn't had a problem and I put my lugs back on with a 110 psi impact wrench.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 05:04 PM
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Not everybody has or can afford a impact wrench let alone the aircompresser needed to run it.
They were put on to tight, mine were on so tight that my tiretool would not even fit over the lugs, that is why I said that they "stretched".
If his problem is just that he cant break them loose then yes, he needs more torque.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 06:45 PM
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^^ Exactly. You should never need an impact wrench to remove your lugs and if you do they were put on too tight. ~100 lbs is not that hard to break loose with a lug wrench. The LR lugs do stretch if someone impacts the living you know what out of them as they have caps and are not solid/forged steel.

If what you mean is that your wheels will not come off the hub, hit the tire with something like a 2x4 or a mattock handle, rotate the wheel a little and repeat until the wheel comes loose. You may want to put down a towel or the like to protect the wheel in case it falls off before anticipated. If the wheel has oxidized to the hub like mine always do spread a little anti-seize at the contact points when you put it back on.

If you can't change a tire with the tools provided with your vehicle then things aren't right and completely defeats the purpose of even having a spare.
 
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