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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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If he were on the trail, or taking his wife who is in labor to the hospital at 2 AM and it is raining and you got a flat on the highway what are you going to do? Call AAA and wait 3 hrs for the tow trk to show up? If you cannot remove the tire with the tire tool you have a problem.
I went back to the alingment shop and had them redo them, by hand. They were not happy. Took them two hours while I stood there, and I even told them NOT to use the impact wrench when they put the wheels back on.
"We've done Rovers before and never had a problem" Needless to say they will never get any of my business again.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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Just reading through and I was wondering if I should check mine, cause I would hate to be in the middle of nowhere and get a flat. Any reccomendations or am I just gonna have to remove them all and re-torque them?
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Lug nuts don't stretch, that isn't the problem here. Every single shop, tire or whatever, uses impact wrenches. The reason you probably can't get the lug nuts broken loose is because of the torque that is required to break the lugs loose. I don't know the factory torque specs on the lugs, but I'm going to guess because of the designed use for this vehicle and the weight of the lugs themselves the torque spec must be very high. The torque specs on my M3 are very high and I've never had an issue. Also, make sure you have a good impact wrench that has the ability to break the lugs loose. i have a very good wrench, but even then it is very difficult because of the torque specs.

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Lug nuts don't deform but the covers that some manufactures use do become difficult to work with.
By the torques on most Rovere with 16" alloys ias 105 foot pounds of torue with a hand held wrench.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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So,
Kelli,
Did you ever get your brakes replaced???????????????????
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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Just reading through and I was wondering if I should check mine, cause I would hate to be in the middle of nowhere and get a flat. Any reccomendations or am I just gonna have to remove them all and re-torque them?
You are going to have to remove them all and then re-torque them. I dont have a torque wrench so I just make sure that they are good and tight.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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If he were on the trail, or taking his wife who is in labor to the hospital at 2 AM and it is raining and you got a flat on the highway what are you going to do? Call AAA and wait 3 hrs for the tow trk to show up? If you cannot remove the tire with the tire tool you have a problem.
I went back to the alingment shop and had them redo them, by hand. They were not happy. Took them two hours while I stood there, and I even told them NOT to use the impact wrench when they put the wheels back on.
"We've done Rovers before and never had a problem" Needless to say they will never get any of my business again.
FYI, the original poster is a she, not a he...
 
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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My lug wrench was completely useless. It wasn't even close to fitting on the lugs. Had to hammer on a socket, either a 1-1/16 or 1-1/8 as I recall. I have that socket in my truck now, in case of a flat.
There are torque multipliers available if you still have difficulty. The multiplier replaces the lug wrench; just attach it to a socket that fits, adjust the second arm to where you can stand on it. Put as much of your weight on it as necessary, your weight gets multiplied into leverage\torque on the lugnut.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 12:25 AM
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Well, here's my 2 cents, so if I misunderstood the question, I'm sorry.

Since the lug nuts have the decorative aluminumn cap, impact wrenches should be avoided as they will eventually round the corners of the aluminumn and warp the flats surfaces. I know this because my lug nuts are currently in this damaged state. I almost have to hammer my wrench onto the lug nut(don't do this, though).

You can use slightly larger socket than the factory wrench size to remove the lug nuts. This unfortunately may make matters worse each time you use it, so you won't be able to do this too many more times. You should, then replace the lug nuts. Always use your factory wrench to remove the lug nuts and a torque wrench to put them back on, since aluminumn wheels require less torque (85 -100 ft. lbs.) to attach than steel wheels.

To replace the wheel, if you don't have a torque wrench, just tighten the lug nuts as tight as you can with the factory wrench without using your body weight to turn the wrench, then take the truck to a shop to check the torque with a proper torque wrench (torque wrenches are expensive).

Although you may not be able to "stretch" the lug nut, you can strip it or even break the stud, or lug with an impact wrench or even a strong person putting too much force on a manual tire iron.


hope this helps,
john
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 01:28 AM
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I also don't advise attempting to remove the aluminum caps from the steel stud nut. Even if you could remove them, you'd probably damage your wheels or yourself in the process. I say this because the previous owner of my truck tried to do that very thing. Fortunately it only took one nut to convince him.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 01:35 AM
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...since aluminumn wheels require less torque (85 -100 ft. lbs.) to attach than steel wheels.
Really? I'm getting a set of steelies next week. What is a good amount of ft. lbs. for the lugs? They will be steel as well.
 
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