Cracked Block?
So I stopped in at the shop on my way to work and asked if they had conducted a pressure test. When we spoke on the phone the first time to set this up they said that they would so I was surprised today when he said 'what kind of pressure test?' 
He didn't remember me either so that was interesting.. I said 'I spoke to you on the phone yesterday about my Rover' and he said 'I speak to a lot of people on the phone about their Rovers'.
ARGH... I have met him before too.
So anyway, I said 'you have my blue Land Rover out in the parking lot, we spoke yesterday about the strange symptoms and I'd like to discuss it'.
and this is what I said:
'from what I've been reading, there are 2 main areas where Rover owners are seeing coolant entering the oil. Headgaskets and the front cover. If you were to drop the oil pan and do a pressure test, if the front cover was the culprit, you'd see leaking into the pan.'
His ears perked up..
He seemed surprised.
The man sitting in the lobby waiting for his vehicle seemed amused.
'I like this idea', he said. 'It's out of the box'.
Thank you LRO and LRF for the tips and experience.
I went on... 'if you don't see coolant leaking out during the pressure test, let's rule out the front cover. Then maybe we could look into digging into the cylinders and go from there.'
He brought up an image of the gasket on his computer and agreed that 'yes, it could leak there'.
We did discuss the combustion test again and how they didn't see anything until after 20 minutes of running when the chemical test turned green. SO... my thoughts are:
1) I may have a small head gasket leak as combustion gases showed eventually
2) I may have both.. a small head gasket leak (as I've dealt with these before) and a major leak somewhere else (front cover, intake manifold gasket, etc.)
3) I could be screwed and it's a slipped liner or cracked block.
His Rover tech is off work for a few days so no one will be looking at it until next week at the earliest. At least I have a process of elimination direction and they are on the same page now. We shall see.
Thanks again,
Christina
He didn't remember me either so that was interesting.. I said 'I spoke to you on the phone yesterday about my Rover' and he said 'I speak to a lot of people on the phone about their Rovers'.ARGH... I have met him before too.
So anyway, I said 'you have my blue Land Rover out in the parking lot, we spoke yesterday about the strange symptoms and I'd like to discuss it'.
and this is what I said:
'from what I've been reading, there are 2 main areas where Rover owners are seeing coolant entering the oil. Headgaskets and the front cover. If you were to drop the oil pan and do a pressure test, if the front cover was the culprit, you'd see leaking into the pan.'
His ears perked up..
He seemed surprised.
The man sitting in the lobby waiting for his vehicle seemed amused.
'I like this idea', he said. 'It's out of the box'.
Thank you LRO and LRF for the tips and experience.
I went on... 'if you don't see coolant leaking out during the pressure test, let's rule out the front cover. Then maybe we could look into digging into the cylinders and go from there.'
He brought up an image of the gasket on his computer and agreed that 'yes, it could leak there'.
We did discuss the combustion test again and how they didn't see anything until after 20 minutes of running when the chemical test turned green. SO... my thoughts are:
1) I may have a small head gasket leak as combustion gases showed eventually
2) I may have both.. a small head gasket leak (as I've dealt with these before) and a major leak somewhere else (front cover, intake manifold gasket, etc.)
3) I could be screwed and it's a slipped liner or cracked block.
His Rover tech is off work for a few days so no one will be looking at it until next week at the earliest. At least I have a process of elimination direction and they are on the same page now. We shall see.
Thanks again,
Christina
You don't want this shop doing the work.
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So I stopped in at the shop on my way to work and asked if they had conducted a pressure test. When we spoke on the phone the first time to set this up they said that they would so I was surprised today when he said 'what kind of pressure test?' He didn't remember me either so that was interesting.. I said 'I spoke to you on the phone yesterday about my Rover' and he said 'I speak to a lot of people on the phone about their Rovers'.
ARGH... I have met him before too.
So anyway, I said 'you have my blue Land Rover out in the parking lot, we spoke yesterday about the strange symptoms and I'd like to discuss it'.
and this is what I said:
'from what I've been reading, there are 2 main areas where Rover owners are seeing coolant entering the oil. Headgaskets and the front cover. If you were to drop the oil pan and do a pressure test, if the front cover was the culprit, you'd see leaking into the pan.'
His ears perked up..
He seemed surprised.
The man sitting in the lobby waiting for his vehicle seemed amused.
'I like this idea', he said. 'It's out of the box'.
Thank you LRO and LRF for the tips and experience.
I went on... 'if you don't see coolant leaking out during the pressure test, let's rule out the front cover. Then maybe we could look into digging into the cylinders and go from there.'
He brought up an image of the gasket on his computer and agreed that 'yes, it could leak there'.
We did discuss the combustion test again and how they didn't see anything until after 20 minutes of running when the chemical test turned green. SO... my thoughts are:
1) I may have a small head gasket leak as combustion gases showed eventually
2) I may have both.. a small head gasket leak (as I've dealt with these before) and a major leak somewhere else (front cover, intake manifold gasket, etc.)
3) I could be screwed and it's a slipped liner or cracked block.
His Rover tech is off work for a few days so no one will be looking at it until next week at the earliest. At least I have a process of elimination direction and they are on the same page now. We shall see.
Thanks again,
Christina
He didn't remember me either so that was interesting.. I said 'I spoke to you on the phone yesterday about my Rover' and he said 'I speak to a lot of people on the phone about their Rovers'.ARGH... I have met him before too.
So anyway, I said 'you have my blue Land Rover out in the parking lot, we spoke yesterday about the strange symptoms and I'd like to discuss it'.
and this is what I said:
'from what I've been reading, there are 2 main areas where Rover owners are seeing coolant entering the oil. Headgaskets and the front cover. If you were to drop the oil pan and do a pressure test, if the front cover was the culprit, you'd see leaking into the pan.'
His ears perked up..
He seemed surprised.
The man sitting in the lobby waiting for his vehicle seemed amused.
'I like this idea', he said. 'It's out of the box'.
Thank you LRO and LRF for the tips and experience.
I went on... 'if you don't see coolant leaking out during the pressure test, let's rule out the front cover. Then maybe we could look into digging into the cylinders and go from there.'
He brought up an image of the gasket on his computer and agreed that 'yes, it could leak there'.
We did discuss the combustion test again and how they didn't see anything until after 20 minutes of running when the chemical test turned green. SO... my thoughts are:
1) I may have a small head gasket leak as combustion gases showed eventually
2) I may have both.. a small head gasket leak (as I've dealt with these before) and a major leak somewhere else (front cover, intake manifold gasket, etc.)
3) I could be screwed and it's a slipped liner or cracked block.
His Rover tech is off work for a few days so no one will be looking at it until next week at the earliest. At least I have a process of elimination direction and they are on the same page now. We shall see.
Thanks again,
Christina
It sure seems like you a getting a bit of a run around, finding a coolant leak is not really rocket science, even if it is head gasket, cracked block or somewhere else. Time consuming but really not that hard, as the previous posters noted.
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Recovery Vehicle
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From: Traverse City, MI
Thanks Richard.
This particular outfit has Rovers sitting in their parking lot every day of every week of every month. Some have said that the guys there are arrogant. I would describe it as a little aloof but he was open to hearing what I had to say today. Apparently the owner has 4 Rovers and the guy behind the counter knew quite a bit about the history of how Land Rover acquired the tooling from GM, the Buick 215, etc. Of course he was talking about slipped liners and how the tooling was wearing out by the time the Discovery engines were being manufactured.
I do feel as if I'm getting the runaround a bit. I think the first shop genuinely didn't know what to do with it. He works on a lot of small import cars and the work that he has done for me in the past has been stellar and top notch. I have recommended him to others. This is the first experience that I've had with engine work in Traverse City on my Rover at a professional operation. All engine work in the past was completed by a fellow forum member who has since moved on. I'm kind of at a loss here, putting my feelers out trying to navigate the world of engines sans big brother. So I'm happy that you guys are here, thank you.
I'm not quite sure what to say about the 'Rover shop' that I'm working with now. This is my first experience, but they come highly recommended by many others in the community so I thought I'd give them a chance. Maybe it is the head gaskets and the next step is to dig into the cylinders. I figured it would be wise to pressure test it and see if the leak is indeed coming from any other area prior to opening that can of worms. I would say the fact that they've never seen anything like what is going on with my Rover would be a good indication that it quite possibly could be something that they've never experience before and narrowing it down, prior to taking off the plenum, would be a wise decision.
This particular outfit has Rovers sitting in their parking lot every day of every week of every month. Some have said that the guys there are arrogant. I would describe it as a little aloof but he was open to hearing what I had to say today. Apparently the owner has 4 Rovers and the guy behind the counter knew quite a bit about the history of how Land Rover acquired the tooling from GM, the Buick 215, etc. Of course he was talking about slipped liners and how the tooling was wearing out by the time the Discovery engines were being manufactured.
I do feel as if I'm getting the runaround a bit. I think the first shop genuinely didn't know what to do with it. He works on a lot of small import cars and the work that he has done for me in the past has been stellar and top notch. I have recommended him to others. This is the first experience that I've had with engine work in Traverse City on my Rover at a professional operation. All engine work in the past was completed by a fellow forum member who has since moved on. I'm kind of at a loss here, putting my feelers out trying to navigate the world of engines sans big brother. So I'm happy that you guys are here, thank you.
I'm not quite sure what to say about the 'Rover shop' that I'm working with now. This is my first experience, but they come highly recommended by many others in the community so I thought I'd give them a chance. Maybe it is the head gaskets and the next step is to dig into the cylinders. I figured it would be wise to pressure test it and see if the leak is indeed coming from any other area prior to opening that can of worms. I would say the fact that they've never seen anything like what is going on with my Rover would be a good indication that it quite possibly could be something that they've never experience before and narrowing it down, prior to taking off the plenum, would be a wise decision.
For electronics issues you need a Rover shop, say programming ecu’s, etc. But diagnosing coolant loss shouldn’t need a customer’s assistance. You don’t need a Rover tech for it either, just good mechanics.
Are you in a big enough city you have more options? Also, a gold membership at Triple A gives you I think 200 mile towing radius.
It’s giving me flashbacks to when I put my Turner in and I had a bad experience. They wasted a lot of my time doing a HG without tearing the block, then screwed up the HG job on the new block. They made that process painful.
Are you in a big enough city you have more options? Also, a gold membership at Triple A gives you I think 200 mile towing radius.
It’s giving me flashbacks to when I put my Turner in and I had a bad experience. They wasted a lot of my time doing a HG without tearing the block, then screwed up the HG job on the new block. They made that process painful.
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I'm sure they know how to conduct a pressure test. I'll give them that and see what they come up with. I think they're used to head gaskets and slipped liners and the results of their combustion test 'puzzled' them.
He alluded to the possibility that it could be a slipped liner causing the coolant leak due to it taking 20 minutes for the combustion test to fail. I said 'wouldn't you typically hear a slipped liner making noise if that were the case?'. He replied 'only if it's really bad.' Hmm.. I would think that a slipped liner would have to be fairly bad in my Rover to have that nasty of a coolant leak and I would hear it.
I'm hoping it's the front cover gasket.
He alluded to the possibility that it could be a slipped liner causing the coolant leak due to it taking 20 minutes for the combustion test to fail. I said 'wouldn't you typically hear a slipped liner making noise if that were the case?'. He replied 'only if it's really bad.' Hmm.. I would think that a slipped liner would have to be fairly bad in my Rover to have that nasty of a coolant leak and I would hear it.
I'm hoping it's the front cover gasket.
I'm sure they know how to conduct a pressure test. I'll give them that and see what they come up with. I think they're used to head gaskets and slipped liners and the results of their combustion test 'puzzled' them.
He alluded to the possibility that it could be a slipped liner causing the coolant leak due to it taking 20 minutes for the combustion test to fail. I said 'wouldn't you typically hear a slipped liner making noise if that were the case?'. He replied 'only if it's really bad.' Hmm.. I would think that a slipped liner would have to be fairly bad in my Rover to have that nasty of a coolant leak and I would hear it.
I'm hoping it's the front cover gasket.
He alluded to the possibility that it could be a slipped liner causing the coolant leak due to it taking 20 minutes for the combustion test to fail. I said 'wouldn't you typically hear a slipped liner making noise if that were the case?'. He replied 'only if it's really bad.' Hmm.. I would think that a slipped liner would have to be fairly bad in my Rover to have that nasty of a coolant leak and I would hear it.
I'm hoping it's the front cover gasket.
Hopefully, they figure it out quickly.
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From: Seattle, Wa
You would have had misfires if coolant was getting into a cylinder from either a slipped liner or a cracked block. You didn't have a misfire you said. I still say front cover... Possibly intake manifold/valley gasket fail.