Hi,

I have a deposit on a Grenadier and have been wondering if I should just put more money into 2004 Discovery II instead. I have not driven the Grenadier or seen one in person.

Does anyone have any time in the Grenadier and have a real-life comparison between the Disco II and the Grenadier?

 

I don’t think anyone can answer that, other than yourself. In terms of dollars, you’re comparing at most $10,000 to maintain your Disco versus $100,000 to buy the Grenadier. For myself, as good as the Grenadier is I would never spend that kind of money on a vehicle.

 

Why not both? I mean this only sort of in jest. You could keep the D2 and transform it into a hard core trail rig that you don't have to care too much about and then tow it to the trailhead with your new Grenadier!

 

Bit of a nonsense question - if you have 100,000 to spend on a vehicle do what you want.

 

I cancelled my Grenadier pre-order and got my deposit back because I felt they bait-n-switched us in the USA. Ineos kept saying this vehicle would be built for purpose which to me means basic but capable. Then orders opened and the most base Grenadier was 72k USD!!! If you just want a newer vehicle with less maintenance my advice would be to purchase a vehicle with a warranty from a long-standing manufacturer that is known for quality. My D2 is pretty solid and thanks to the forum members has become trustworthy so I'm going to save my money and keep running it for a few more years.

 

Only time will tell if these cars from new manufactureres make sense. If you have a brand new car you have warranty and want to get it fixed asap. Established manufacturers have a service network and spare parts on stock. If you want a brand new offroader I would rather wait on the new 2024 Land Cruiser. From what I saw it looks very promising.

 

That Land Cruise does look compelling, might be the next new car I get. Seems like the price is much more inline too. The last couple years have crazy numbers.

 

I totally agree the LC prices got very high, but given what they were offering, it was fair. Just not very accessible. It was clearly a luxury buy, but then again, so is ND. I tested a LC a few years ago, meaning it was a 200 series? It drove awesome. The initial sticker was about $85k back then, and the used price was mid to high $50s. The new LC is looking to be substantially less than the $85k rig it's replacing. But with the lower price, it's also not the 200 series. The engine is smaller, the inside is not going to be luxuries (as the old LC was), and I think it's going to be a bit more crunched, height wise, reducing cabin space. As anyone in an older LR or RR knows, cabin space, as height, costs money. The 4Runner has a squished cabin height (compared to what the LC had), and that likely saved manufacturing costs. But given Toyota will be selling it for way less than the older 200 Series in the US, I think it will compete very well and have a broader appeal. The 300 Series LC is offered under the Lexus LX, but who wants to pay $110k and then go bang it up?! It's a LC underneath in terms of parts, but the exterior bling is not friendly to mud, wet dog, sand, and detailing denying owners. A dent on a LR is a story you can tell over a beer; a dent to a Lexus LX is an embarrassing story you going to end up paying alot of money to fix. Lexus seems to finally get that the "bling" to an off road SUV is not visible, and the Over Trail looks to reduce the ridiculous envy bling that normally accompany anything Lexus makes. One thing Toyota has to figure out is the spare tire placement. I have an old LR with the spare in the trunk! - it's accessible from the trunk, but the tire is totally protected, and has the tools for changing there as well. It's an ingenious, completely awesome system, and I think more SUVs should offer it. But, I don't have a solid rear axle, and that's what is likely giving the space.

 

Maybe similar to buying a Range Rover. I suspect that they are still very capable off road vehicles, but like the Lexus there are very few people who would buy one new and then take it off road.

 

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