This is an interesting discussion and speaks to a larger question that I’ve been through.

I sold my last D2 because despite getting it to a really great point- almost perfection in D2 terms- the boss got fed up with the level of effort and I sold it and bought a new S4 for the warranty and an easy button (I already had the Jeep for off road). Fast forward a couple years and I couldn’t help but get another D2 (and still have the S4).

My point is, what is your goal? For anyone that has laughed at me through my D2 roller coaster ride build thread, this is something that I think is critical to determine. If you want a decent sized SUV that you want to do trips to remote places, I’d say the D2 is way better despite the known challenges. It’s more easily fixed with “duct tape and baling wire” (field fixed) and has 80% of the comfort and luxury of a newer Range Rover, which is to say close to being on par with the Ineos. If you want a status symbol that you might be able to make money on for a short time, as well as have a warranty and such, the Ineos is probably a better choice. As an easy button daily, I’d say it would be super cool, but it is not a known quantity for anything other than getting away from urban exploration.

And thus, what is the goal? Since I don’t have my D2s to play with for a few years while we are in Euroville, I’m planning on getting an air cooled 911 if we can swing it, and possibly a Defender 110 (the original “real” one) if her L320 starts giving us fits. If I didn’t have the S4, I’d probably have bought a 996 911 C4s as a daily too. What I’m getting at is that although I love the S4 in so many ways, I think it might be the last new car I buy. I love my Jeep, but with what they cost today, there is no way I’d want to take one and bash it on the rocks like I do my well modified Rubicon. I can’t afford a new 911, and even 991 generation machines optioned close to the tech my S4 has are over 10 years old now, and cost what the S4 did new, so I’d rather get something less sophisticated that I can work on as a daily, and have fun with, all while not worrying about my wallet being emptied.

I think I’d rather have something that I can sort out myself and without the need of super sophisticated diagnostics at this point. Newer cars are faster and just as capable off road, but so complex and easy to break, it doesn’t seem worth it to me any longer. Whereas older cars can be fixed by normal people with normal tools and fairly cost effectively, they seem a better value proposition. I dunno, maybe I’m just seeing a lot of older cars I’d like that I’ve never had and a lot of newer cars that hold absolutely no interest to me.

 

Only 15mpg and offroad capabilities are probably the same compared to a D2 with front & rear diff-lockers.

 

Based on the above video, TFL and Robert Pepper's testing it looks like currently the Grenadier traction control system is actually worse offroad than D2!

 

Yea I was not impressed poor traction control, terrible gas mileage, and the gearing seemed off

 

If the grenadier is using custom software for the traction control and not something provided by say Bosch, I’m not surprised one bit. There’s a good amount of engineering needed to make that system work well

 

Nailed it. And if you add ACE, I bet better axle articulation.