General Disco RANT
#21
Yep. Like the non-graded bolts on the frame cross member support bars. With 10mm heads. Ridiculous.
#22
The AC draining onto the XYZ is the least of it's worries. The bolt is metal and the transmission housing is aluminum. Doesn't matter if it's the space shuttle or a Land Rover the metal and aluminum are going to constantly contract/expand upon heating up and cooling down and over time the bolt can seize into place.
The Radiator IS NOT hard to remove if you simply remove the front grill to gain access to the screws holding the securing plates over the radiator supports and on an 03-04 that is a 15-20 second job!
We've all been there with a simple job that suddenly turns into a nightmare, but I take a step back, cool down, then go over the situation again and 99% of the time I come back with a simple and quick solution and I always learn from my mistakes.
#23
Once again I am sorry for your situation, but blaming LR for every little thing from incorrect bolts, lack of anti-seize, and poor quality/design on a 13 year old vehicle isn't really relevant. It made it 13 years before the XYZ switch died! Maybe a Toyota 4Runner would be a better for you.
All of my LR's have been either from CA or TX so I have ZERO rust or corrosion issues. Not sure how it is up in PA, but that could have a lot to do with it.
The radiator on a RRC/D1/D2 is mounted in a fashion like 90% of all the vehicles on the road today. The D2 radiator is a 1hr job if that.
If you want a radiator to complain about then look no further than a 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8. On earlier models 99 the entire bumper/grill was one piece and had to be removed along with the headlights, fog lights, and the inner fender splash guards. Then you had a hydraulic controlled cooling fan that had to be completely removed and disconnected. After that you had little mounts all over the place supporting the radiator, and finally as per Jeep you had to evac your AC System, disconnect the condenser, and remove it before you could remove the radiator. A LR D2 is removing a fan shroud, grill, fan clutch, move an oil cooler/transmission cooler, and some mounts that secure the radiator into place........
I understand your upset with your D2 and it's apparent lack of quality, and reliability, and honestly once someone gets that kind of attitude about a vehicle you're better off selling it and moving on IMHO. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. Look at all the recalls today from airbags (Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and many more), fires (2012-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee's/Dodge Durango's), wide open throttles (2016 Ford Explorer), blown motors with less than 1k on them (2016 Honda Civic's), and those are all on much newer vehicles.
I still say lift the carpet, drill a hole in the floor, drill out the broken bolt, apply your anti-seize, mount the XYZ Switch and call it a day for another 13 years. If the bolt didn't break off 100% flush with the transmission I'd just install it with the one screw and call it a day as one bolt with the little peg of the other broken bolt would keep it from moving. Or go all out, smash the transmission to bits to relieve some stress with a 25LB Sledge Hammer, and slap in a 200-400 03-04 D2 Transmission with everything and call it a day.
All of my LR's have been either from CA or TX so I have ZERO rust or corrosion issues. Not sure how it is up in PA, but that could have a lot to do with it.
The radiator on a RRC/D1/D2 is mounted in a fashion like 90% of all the vehicles on the road today. The D2 radiator is a 1hr job if that.
If you want a radiator to complain about then look no further than a 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8. On earlier models 99 the entire bumper/grill was one piece and had to be removed along with the headlights, fog lights, and the inner fender splash guards. Then you had a hydraulic controlled cooling fan that had to be completely removed and disconnected. After that you had little mounts all over the place supporting the radiator, and finally as per Jeep you had to evac your AC System, disconnect the condenser, and remove it before you could remove the radiator. A LR D2 is removing a fan shroud, grill, fan clutch, move an oil cooler/transmission cooler, and some mounts that secure the radiator into place........
I understand your upset with your D2 and it's apparent lack of quality, and reliability, and honestly once someone gets that kind of attitude about a vehicle you're better off selling it and moving on IMHO. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. Look at all the recalls today from airbags (Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and many more), fires (2012-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee's/Dodge Durango's), wide open throttles (2016 Ford Explorer), blown motors with less than 1k on them (2016 Honda Civic's), and those are all on much newer vehicles.
I still say lift the carpet, drill a hole in the floor, drill out the broken bolt, apply your anti-seize, mount the XYZ Switch and call it a day for another 13 years. If the bolt didn't break off 100% flush with the transmission I'd just install it with the one screw and call it a day as one bolt with the little peg of the other broken bolt would keep it from moving. Or go all out, smash the transmission to bits to relieve some stress with a 25LB Sledge Hammer, and slap in a 200-400 03-04 D2 Transmission with everything and call it a day.
Last edited by Best4x4; 12-20-2016 at 11:30 AM.
#24
True stuff Best4x4....
I seen a ton of rusty D2's on this site, I would pass on one too. Too bad we still have a rust belt in this country....
Time to sell the ol' D2 Fast951...It's obvious your over it. We've all been in your situation one time or another on different vehicles, so we all understand, mechanic work can be like that...Good luck on your next adventure
I seen a ton of rusty D2's on this site, I would pass on one too. Too bad we still have a rust belt in this country....
Time to sell the ol' D2 Fast951...It's obvious your over it. We've all been in your situation one time or another on different vehicles, so we all understand, mechanic work can be like that...Good luck on your next adventure
#25
Once again I am sorry for your situation, but blaming LR for every little thing from incorrect bolts, lack of anti-seize, and poor quality/design on a 13 year old vehicle isn't really relevant. It made it 13 years before the XYZ switch died! Maybe a Toyota 4Runner would be a better for you.
All of my LR's have been either from CA or TX so I have ZERO rust or corrosion issues. Not sure how it is up in PA, but that could have a lot to do with it.
The radiator on a RRC/D1/D2 is mounted in a fashion like 90% of all the vehicles on the road today. The D2 radiator is a 1hr job if that.
If you want a radiator to complain about then look no further than a 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8. On earlier models 99 the entire bumper/grill was one piece and had to be removed along with the headlights, fog lights, and the inner fender splash guards. Then you had a hydraulic controlled cooling fan that had to be completely removed and disconnected. After that you had little mounts all over the place supporting the radiator, and finally as per Jeep you had to evac your AC System, disconnect the condenser, and remove it before you could remove the radiator. A LR D2 is removing a fan shroud, grill, fan clutch, move an oil cooler/transmission cooler, and some mounts that secure the radiator into place........
I understand your upset with your D2 and it's apparent lack of quality, and reliability, and honestly once someone gets that kind of attitude about a vehicle you're better off selling it and moving on IMHO. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. Look at all the recalls today from airbags (Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and many more), fires (2012-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee's/Dodge Durango's), wide open throttles (2016 Ford Explorer), blown motors with less than 1k on them (2016 Honda Civic's), and those are all on much newer vehicles.
I still say lift the carpet, drill a hole in the floor, drill out the broken bolt, apply your anti-seize, mount the XYZ Switch and call it a day for another 13 years. If the bolt didn't break off 100% flush with the transmission I'd just install it with the one screw and call it a day as one bolt with the little peg of the other broken bolt would keep it from moving. Or go all out, smash the transmission to bits to relieve some stress with a 25LB Sledge Hammer, and slap in a 200-400 03-04 D2 Transmission with everything and call it a day.
All of my LR's have been either from CA or TX so I have ZERO rust or corrosion issues. Not sure how it is up in PA, but that could have a lot to do with it.
The radiator on a RRC/D1/D2 is mounted in a fashion like 90% of all the vehicles on the road today. The D2 radiator is a 1hr job if that.
If you want a radiator to complain about then look no further than a 99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7L V8. On earlier models 99 the entire bumper/grill was one piece and had to be removed along with the headlights, fog lights, and the inner fender splash guards. Then you had a hydraulic controlled cooling fan that had to be completely removed and disconnected. After that you had little mounts all over the place supporting the radiator, and finally as per Jeep you had to evac your AC System, disconnect the condenser, and remove it before you could remove the radiator. A LR D2 is removing a fan shroud, grill, fan clutch, move an oil cooler/transmission cooler, and some mounts that secure the radiator into place........
I understand your upset with your D2 and it's apparent lack of quality, and reliability, and honestly once someone gets that kind of attitude about a vehicle you're better off selling it and moving on IMHO. There is no such thing as a perfect vehicle. Look at all the recalls today from airbags (Honda, Toyota, Chevy, Ford, and many more), fires (2012-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee's/Dodge Durango's), wide open throttles (2016 Ford Explorer), blown motors with less than 1k on them (2016 Honda Civic's), and those are all on much newer vehicles.
I still say lift the carpet, drill a hole in the floor, drill out the broken bolt, apply your anti-seize, mount the XYZ Switch and call it a day for another 13 years. If the bolt didn't break off 100% flush with the transmission I'd just install it with the one screw and call it a day as one bolt with the little peg of the other broken bolt would keep it from moving. Or go all out, smash the transmission to bits to relieve some stress with a 25LB Sledge Hammer, and slap in a 200-400 03-04 D2 Transmission with everything and call it a day.
#26
True stuff Best4x4....
I seen a ton of rusty D2's on this site, I would pass on one too. Too bad we still have a rust belt in this country....
Time to sell the ol' D2 Fast951...It's obvious your over it. We've all been in your situation one time or another on different vehicles, so we all understand, mechanic work can be like that...Good luck on your next adventure
I seen a ton of rusty D2's on this site, I would pass on one too. Too bad we still have a rust belt in this country....
Time to sell the ol' D2 Fast951...It's obvious your over it. We've all been in your situation one time or another on different vehicles, so we all understand, mechanic work can be like that...Good luck on your next adventure
#28
#29
Look into drilling the hole thru the floor first vs a transmission drop. It looked possible when I ran outside to inspect the space down there. You can get floor drain plugs normally on the HELP isle at the auto parts store.
In that cold of weather on the garage floor, I think a 30.00 sleeping bag would be a good investment. Just get a mummy one, cut some holes in it for your arms to hang out, and go to work.
Good luck and report back with how it goes.
In that cold of weather on the garage floor, I think a 30.00 sleeping bag would be a good investment. Just get a mummy one, cut some holes in it for your arms to hang out, and go to work.
Good luck and report back with how it goes.