http://www.axxisbrakes.com/deluxe.html

After speaking with a brake engineer in great detail i have decided to replace the EBS 7000s and 6000s with axxis pads.

Everyone must make there own mind on what they use their vehicle for and then properly set it up. I thought i should mention these pads so individuals on the forum just dont a particular pads just becasue everyone else does.

I have installed the NAPA adaptive pads on both my daughter's and wife's car (they do not have an application for Land rover) I absolutely love them. the engineer i spoke with is taking a very close look at them as he thinks they are one of the best engineered pads put out by a parts store.

those of you who use their rig almost soley for off road, might want to look at Hawk pads.

My findings on the EBCs 7000s: (mearly my own opinion, FWIW)

At a bout 1000 miles on the EBCs i find that i have given up some grip and braking ability with these pads. they are so hard a pad that they are just mashing my rotors to a mirror finish, and are only a little bit less dusty than the land rover pads. they are very quiet though. those of you you wheel your discovery should find a better cold gripping pad to increase your ability to stop your rig in the wet, muddy and cold.

infact, i find that the stock land rover pads grip and brake much better than the EBCs, if it werent for the incredible amount of dust i might have just stayed with stock.

As i havent installed the axxis pads as yet so i cannot give you an assessment, but will do so after I put some miles on them. however, they are being used on other DIIs and have recieved raves from the owners both in terms of better than stock braking and less dust.

FYI; all pads must wear down and leave some dust otherwise they are not doing the job.

I hope this helps some of you.

please dont bash me, this is really something to think about, thats all.

J

 

link to some off road adventures with my 06 rubicon;

http://www.youtube.com/user/lowrider901

4.88 gears, with a 4:1 transfer case ratio. front and rear lockers, five inch lift, belly up skid.

while off road in this vehicles with stock brakes I literally could stop the jeep when i had cold brakes wet or dry. the torque created with the gearing set up i had just made braking impossible.

so this set up would have a different requirement for a brakes than the rover. mine gets used on the beach and some mild off road, nothing like the jeep. two vehicles used for two different purposes and two completely different brake setups.

the point, admit what you do with the truck, then set ip up accordingly.

I hope you enjoy the vids.

JJ

 

J,
I will be real curious to see how these new pads work out for you, when will you be installing them and on what rotor?
As you contact what he thinks about running thes on a set of DBA rotors, if you get a chance.
Thanks

 

I will be installing them no later than this weekend. unfortunately i will be using the land rover rotor, as they are new and dont want to waste them.

my discussion with the engineer on rotors was in depth, the opinion on ebcs, wasnt very positive (but not to bad). the theme was to use the best well engineered drill/slotted rotor you could afford, and although DBA was not brought specifically up i believe it to fit the bill.

I will speak with him again after installation and bedding is complete, i will ask about DBA then.

his thought is to use the drilled/slotted even if you off road as they are really the way to get the best braking possible. just drilled is fine drilled/slotted might be better off road as the slots should help keep the rotor clean.

BTW: only $113.00 front and rear for the pads. there was an option to spend more but based on the data presented iwe didnt think it would give better all around braking.

 

I think the DBA's are still considered the best on the market.

 

the axxis pads are not quite bedded 100% just yet, but i can feel them getting very active while braking.

during the bedding period both EBC 7000s and Axxis feel about the same. However, the EBC brake-in coating is a nice feature. the first 100 mle or so they grabeed pretty good, but when it wore off, the kelvar pad underneath showed its true self. mediocre stopping power, not bad, but not nearly as good as the land rover stock pad.

dust: EBC had a lot of brake-in dust, almost as much as stock pad. when 100% broken in, the dust was still prevelent but reduced 50-60% over stock LR pads. so they were pretty clean.

the AXXIS pads, dust after 400 miles is alomst non existent. pads have to leave dust. in this case i have to run a finger over the wheel to see the how much dust has been deposited to the wheel. I'm looking forward to see how they work when 100% broken-in.

the bonding on the EBC pads is a straight bond no hooks between the pad and the friction material, this may lead to heat separation especiall with the 7000 as kelvar is very hard and creates a lot of heat. if you use these pads use the best rotor you can afford.

the bonding on the AXXis pads is loaded with hook, making separation nealry impossible.

this bonging process is important, it helps maintain bonging thereby redcuing the chance of brake noise.

speaking of brake squeek, the 7000s never made a noise during brake-in or after, But neither has the Axxis pads (i do not use noise reducing sprays or materials.)

Both pads are quiet as a mouse.

brakeing ability after 400 miles on the AXXis pads is already better than EBCs 7000s


FYI, i am using stock rotors.

 

Thanks for the information. I have decided to wait till the spring to replace my pads and will be interested to see how yours progress.

 

I did forget to mention one thing...as far as shear braking ability goes the LR stock pads have more bite and stop the truck in shorter distances. but they are dirty and noisy.

also, I'll throw this out there, i have no use now for the 7000s and i have set of 6000s (new in Box) for the rear, cost was around 180 bucks, you can have them if you decide to go that way for 100 plus shipping

 

I found a great deal for brembo rotors with EBC pads for the rear and decided to get the EBC dimpled/slotted with the same pads fot the front. I had genuine rotors and went with genuine pads the first year. I swapped for the Autozone pads the next year, same performance, but much more dust. Now that I have run the EBC's for a year, they are a drasic improvement over the stock. I can literally stop on a dime once they are warmed up. I think I paid a little over $350 for the whole set up, and at that price, I am really happy with them. Probably not the best on dust, but much better performance than stock. I have also seen twice the pad life so far. I think the rotors are the key for life.

 

I bought OEM type rotors and pads from Rover Guy. The pads were from quality friction and the rotors were pallengia (sp?). For $275 shipped for the entire set I could not pass it up. Pads are quiete, stop well. The front pads were a bit dusty during break in but are fine now. I got rid of my 3 amigos a month ago and they have not come back even with the break in dust. Honestly from my experience even moderate dusty pads will not trip the amigos (my old pads were fairly dusty, 3 amigos came from a bad hub). The dust needs to be really bad.