Discovery II Talk about the Land Rover Discovery II within.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Key question

Old Jul 8, 2021 | 01:28 PM
  #1  
SundayFunday's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Winching
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 519
Likes: 170
From: Central MA
Default Key question

The ignition cylinder/ tumbler has just failed on my D2 - spins 360

I found an OEM cylinder with mating blade precut- was directly from rover ordered for an 03. The guy junked the truck abs never opened the package. Original bar codes included.

can I use this in my 04? And if the new ignition has key cut - can I stick the blade in my fob & good to go? Or does the truck still need to be programmed to match recognize anything new?
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 01:45 PM
  #2  
ahab's Avatar
Pro Wrench
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,516
Likes: 442
From: SE PA
Default

I'm going to give you a solid "probably". As far as I know there's nothing specific about the ignition switch itself that would mate to the rest of the electronics. Interested in the actual answer.
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 01:52 PM
  #3  
mln01's Avatar
Camel Trophy
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,883
Likes: 951
From: Charlotte
Default

Yes, you can use the replacement cylinder and "blade" in your '04.

But the other question isn't clear. What kind of "blade" is precut for the replacement cylinder? I inferred that it's a blade from a keyless entry remote. If that's correct then yes, you can simply stick it into your existing fob and you'll be good to go. No programming required.

If I were you I'd keep a separate key for the door, just in case you ever need to get into the truck and the battery is dead. You can also update the wafers in the door lock to match the new ignition key.
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 06:50 PM
  #4  
SundayFunday's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Winching
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 519
Likes: 170
From: Central MA
Default

Originally Posted by mln01
Yes, you can use the replacement cylinder and "blade" in your '04.

But the other question isn't clear. What kind of "blade" is precut for the replacement cylinder? I inferred that it's a blade from a keyless entry remote. If that's correct then yes, you can simply stick it into your existing fob and you'll be good to go. No programming required.

If I were you I'd keep a separate key for the door, just in case you ever need to get into the truck and the battery is dead. You can also update the wafers in the door lock to match the new ignition key.


How would I go about updating the door lock to match the new key? Very interested in knowing more about that!

your right, It appears as tho the “blade” is manufactured by rover to fit the key fob & is included in the packaging with the cylinder.

Im going to go for it and report back.
Believe it or not I couldn’t get a straight answer from dealership AND a pretty renown Land Rover restoration company local lead me to believe he would have to erase the key data via original programming equipment & said sometimes the ECU would erase and not re-write, as the programming is getting old..
They all suggested getting the aftermarket fix from Atlantic British.

 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 07:20 PM
  #5  
ahab's Avatar
Pro Wrench
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,516
Likes: 442
From: SE PA
Default

I think these guys guys aren't understanding the scenario and are assuming you're changing more than just the blade. Or they don't want to commit to an answer because they don't want to be held accountable (typical of dealer idiots...). The ONLY thing that could be an issue would be IF the ignition cylinder had some kind of chip that talked to the computer but that would be a bit unprecedented. Our fobs talk to the computers, not the ignition cylinder. I think GM may have had something funky like that years ago but I'm nearly certain that none of that's in play here. I'd bet my lunch money our cylinders are mechanical only, and you'll be fine. Changing the blade and the ignition should be 100% benign.

Regarding the door lock, if you search cylinder and wafer on this site you'll see what's entailed in "rekey-ing" a lock cylinder to a different key. I've even posted a bit about it as I've done it to plenty of cars. Doing a door lock it doesn't look that bad in these Rovers but he disassembly is tricky. Luckily there are good pics here from someome how took one apart. For an ignition it's a considerable challenge.
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 08:38 PM
  #6  
mln01's Avatar
Camel Trophy
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,883
Likes: 951
From: Charlotte
Default

Originally Posted by ahab
I think these guys guys aren't understanding the scenario and are assuming you're changing more than just the blade. Or they don't want to commit to an answer because they don't want to be held accountable (typical of dealer idiots...).
As my first manager in my first post-college job told us, "There are a lot of idiots out there. It's your job to stay out of their way."

Originally Posted by ahab
The ONLY thing that could be an issue would be IF the ignition cylinder had some kind of chip that talked to the computer but that would be a bit unprecedented. Our fobs talk to the computers, not the ignition cylinder. I think GM may have had something funky like that years ago but I'm nearly certain that none of that's in play here. I'd bet my lunch money our cylinders are mechanical only, and you'll be fine. Changing the blade and the ignition should be 100% benign.
Several manufacturers use "chipped" keys, but not the DII. They use RFID chips that the vehicle computer must be programmed to recognize, even "valet" keys without any keyless entry or other "fob" functions. One example is my son's 2010 RAV4.

Originally Posted by ahab
Doing a door lock it doesn't look that bad in these Rovers but he disassembly is tricky. Luckily there are good pics here from someome how took one apart.
That "someome" may be me (link below). The link takes you to post #13 in the thread. You can scroll to the top of the thread for context if you like.

https://landroverforums.com/forum/di...e2/#post622286
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 08:58 PM
  #7  
ahab's Avatar
Pro Wrench
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,516
Likes: 442
From: SE PA
Default

Originally Posted by mln01
That "someome" may be me (link below). The link takes you to post #13 in the thread. You can scroll to the top of the thread for context if you like.

https://landroverforums.com/forum/di...e2/#post622286
Yes!! That's the thread. Everything you need to know for a successful cylinder retooling. The pics of dismantling the door handle are worth their weight in gold for someone who's never done it (like me).
 
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2021 | 10:59 PM
  #8  
whowa004's Avatar
Pro Wrench
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 1,965
Likes: 944
From: Denver, CO
Default

I bet the door lock works even with the different key. Both of my 99s door locks work with either key...won't start the wrong one but definitely will get you into the vehicle.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2021 | 04:22 PM
  #9  
The Deputy's Avatar
Camel Trophy
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 4,867
Likes: 1,410
From: Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by ahab
The pics of dismantling the door handle are worth their weight in gold
Now that the original poster's received guidance from our wealth of worthy contributors...my question is...how much do internet picture weigh?

If they are hefty...mln01...do you mind if l steal a set...or two...or three?
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2021 | 05:22 AM
  #10  
SundayFunday's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Winching
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 519
Likes: 170
From: Central MA
Default

A followup- y’all were correct.
the new old stock ignition cylinder for an 03 fit without a problem. No programming. Blade fit into key fob.
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:16 AM.