re: Sorry, they're both thermostat housings. Same point.

Well, you can buy a thermostat to go in the LR3 housing; for the D2 you would not be able with basic shop tools to replace the thermostat inside the housing. So you buy the whole thing. LR3 owners probably won't have to repalce housings too often.

But we all agree that the LR3 is a more complex vehicle, and the LR4 takes that to another level as far as DIY repairs. Potential owners should consider if they want to DIY for some things and indy shop (with suitable computer) for the rest.

And if you think they are high in the US, check out Singapore. https://landroverforums.com/forum/ne...ight=Singapore

 

Exactly what I said in a different thread where someone was looking to buy an 04 HSE as purely a human hauler. No offroad or even towing. No way in hell I would do that. So many better options out there for that purpose alone, yet many rover owners use it just for that reason. That's why they get such a bad rap because these owners don't take care of them and are constantly in the shop yada yada. If everyone actually used them off road and could appreciate how versatile they really are, I think customer satisfaction would be a lot higher. If you strictly need a human hauler, please look elsewhere.

 

its not a real comparison.. because most of us are cheap or broke and drive RRC's, d1's, d2's and p38's. My concern is when they are making Discovery 6's and the D1, D2, p38 and RRC's are all rust buckets with near impossible parts to find we will be looking at the 130,000 miles on the clock LR4 as an option.

 

I just spent 3 years in Singapore...saw maybe 2 Land Rovers the entire time. Narrow streets/parking, gas prices...not to mention a new LR4 would cost about $400K there, and $70K just for the right to own a car (Certificate of Entitlement). Wouldn't think he'd be worried about the T-stat.

 

The LR3's extra power is completely offset by its extra weight. It was nearly 800 pounds heavier than the D2. So if 100lbs=10hp, then its extra 83hp is negligible. The 6 speed ZF transmission is the key.

 

Another problem I see is the risk when you exceed the limitations of a LR4. The LR4 has an outstanding wading depth, better than any older Land Rover. But if I swamp an old RRC or D1, while it's not the easiest vehicle to restore to service, it might take some hand tools, a few modest replacement parts and a day of work. If I swamped a LR4, the loss would be staggering. Restoring it to service would be a serious undertaking and quite possibly beyond the limit of practicality. I would need insurance for sure. With the old one, I just carry on. Now fast forward a few years from now when older LR4's become available. Then I will possibly be able to afford one to drive offroad. If I swamp it, will it be any cheaper to restore to service then than it would be now? Would I be able to get insurance to pay for it?

One of the wonderful things about modern technology is how it's making it affordable for local 4x4 shops and suppliers to have CNC x-y plasma cutting tables, tubing benders, press-brakes, and cold saws. The stuff they can produce on a small scale is amazing. Given a broken or damaged Classic or D1, and in a few hours something can be fabricated better-than-new. I feel that we're still a long way to being able to re-create things the way they're made on an LR4. It's like they're completely incompatible with the way things are being done in the modern world. Contrast them to the Jeep Wrangler that comes out of the factory as a far less capable vehicle, but which is so compatible with modern small shop fabrication technology that it's a fairly straightforward matter to prepare one to run the King of Hammers course, or go overland, or run mud, or do whatever it is you like. But the LR4, you can have a bumper, maybe. I don't see that changing, even in many years. Look at the LR3. The factory is outpacing the aftermarket. While that's great if you can afford to run a new one, it just leaves the '05's to cram the pages of Autotrader with Acura's and Lexus.

 

But, this is also the reason we can now buy DII's for pennies on the dollar of new. So, I for one, am happy people buy them to go to the mall, run the nannie around, etc... When the time comes, I will be able to buy a garaged, never off road, well maintained, LR4 for pennies on the dollar, just like I did my DII, and previously, my Jaguar.

Please people, why don't you start talking others with money to burn into buying NEW Land Rovers so we can buy them on the cheap a couple years from now. It just makes sense to me...

 

It looks to me like perhaps driving technique accounted for the LR4's edge here... The Disco started out rather slow, and then got a bid sideways on what looked like an icy patch. The LR4 was moving really fast, and it looks like momentum took it right past the ice patch. I'm not disputing that the LR4's electronics are good, just that due to the differences in approach it's maybe not an apples-to-apples comparison.

My $0.02 worth...

Of course... as you can see from my other posts on the forum I'm not much of an LR4 fan (apparently the only one here...)

RedAustinIX

 

That's just the problem. The D2 was possibly useful after the yuppies were done with it. The LR4 is doubtfully useful unless it's in pristine condition with everything working perfectly. Add years, miles and wear on it, even gentle wear, and it seems like a hopeless proposition to get it ready for off-roading economically.

Although I agree it's remarkably capable, I still don't believe it really cuts it for offroad use. Check out 4xforum. There's a guy who spent about a year in a sponsored LR4, driving it all over South Africa, including difficult trails that resulted in body damage, and so on. While he expresses impression with the vehicle, it's clear he still doesn't consider it for serious offroad use. Among current models, he accepts the Land Cruiser, the Defender, the G-wagon and the Wrangler.

I agree with him, and those are the 2013 vehicles (besides pickups) that in 10 years people will be offroading. Here in NA we only get the Wrangler and different versions of the Land Cruisers. Even though we don't get the 70 series in the US, I think any of the Land Cruisers, the Lexus LX470, the Lexus GX, the 200 series and the LX570, those are all very serious off road vehicles when they've been depreciated. The LR4 is not.

 

Maybe the LR3 had snow tires on. Maybe that Disco didn't have a CDL. Maybe the LR3 really is better.


DID YOU KNOW: LR3s have 1500 wires controlling the suspension alone. The new RR has 20 computers controlling various functions of the vehicle. To each his own but thats enough to run a shiver down any DIYr's spine!