O2 Sensor No Voltage
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I have been swapping the old and new sensors around in different pairing on both sides and get voltage readings on both sides. Around 1.0 on start then down to around .5. Certain sensors, however have caused the voltage to fluctuate between 1..0 and 3.0 incessantly while the.other side is stable when the engine is running. This has occured on both sides but with different sensors. The last time, 1,1 fluctuated like crazy while 2,1 started off at a stable .5 then slowly the voltage went down to zero.
The take away is this: there appears to be normal voltage on both sides because both sides have worked normally with some of the sensors, while some of the sensors don't respond to it on certain sides. I have no codes current or pending at the moment. Am I wrong to conclude that my filthy old sensors and probably one of the new cheap ones are bad and that the next step is to buy 2 new Walker sensors and see if they both function?
.Thanks to all again.
The take away is this: there appears to be normal voltage on both sides because both sides have worked normally with some of the sensors, while some of the sensors don't respond to it on certain sides. I have no codes current or pending at the moment. Am I wrong to conclude that my filthy old sensors and probably one of the new cheap ones are bad and that the next step is to buy 2 new Walker sensors and see if they both function?
.Thanks to all again.
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LADisco2 (12-16-2018)
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So I want both left and right to start off around 1.0 then cycle? Starting at 1.0 then dropping to .5 and staying there without fluctuation means it's dead? have two that will cycle and both sides have cycled but i don''t remember which did what where
Does it matter that I have been testing them with the ignition key in the second position instead of starting the engine? i have only started it when both sides were reading something.
i still don't understand what would cause one of them to start off at .9, drop to .5, then slowly go down to zero and stay there.
The wiring diagram is very helpful, by the way,
Does it matter that I have been testing them with the ignition key in the second position instead of starting the engine? i have only started it when both sides were reading something.
i still don't understand what would cause one of them to start off at .9, drop to .5, then slowly go down to zero and stay there.
The wiring diagram is very helpful, by the way,
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I am not sure the exact cause of that, but in my experience it has been bad sensors.
Yes, they will only cycle with the engine running. without the engine running they should read 0.
The ECU controls the cycling by giving the engine more fuel until is sees a reading close to 1 v, then less fuel until it sees approx. 1 volt, then repeats the cycle. Occasionally it will throw a test in there that changes the cycle for other purposes (SAI for example) and will defuel the engine (0 volts) on long deceleration (like down a hill with foot off gas for several seconds).
When the engine starts cold the ECU gives a rich mixture (1 volt), as it warms up it lowers the fuel until it reads .1 volts and then starts cycling. If it starts at 1 volt and then goes to .1 volt and stays there, it could be a lean running bank due to vacuum leaks or bad MAF. Best to check that with a known good 02 (cycles) and if the known good 02 does not cycle, you have an engine issue not a sensor issue.
Swap them around until you get two that are cycling. Use those as control, swap the others in to see if they cycle. If you know the bank is cycling, but one of the sensors does not on that bank, you know it is bad.
The ECU controls the cycling by giving the engine more fuel until is sees a reading close to 1 v, then less fuel until it sees approx. 1 volt, then repeats the cycle. Occasionally it will throw a test in there that changes the cycle for other purposes (SAI for example) and will defuel the engine (0 volts) on long deceleration (like down a hill with foot off gas for several seconds).
When the engine starts cold the ECU gives a rich mixture (1 volt), as it warms up it lowers the fuel until it reads .1 volts and then starts cycling. If it starts at 1 volt and then goes to .1 volt and stays there, it could be a lean running bank due to vacuum leaks or bad MAF. Best to check that with a known good 02 (cycles) and if the known good 02 does not cycle, you have an engine issue not a sensor issue.
Swap them around until you get two that are cycling. Use those as control, swap the others in to see if they cycle. If you know the bank is cycling, but one of the sensors does not on that bank, you know it is bad.
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$400-500 is a fair price if the body and interior are good, I would probably have bought it.
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Also, the four wires going to the sensor, two are the heater power and ground (12v+ and ground) and two are the ref. ground and sensor output wires going to the ECU. The heater wires have no effect on the readings in the ECU, except the sensor will die relatively quickly without the heaters. You will get a code with no heaters, so they are apparently all fine.
#17
yes
i am not sure the exact cause of that, but in my experience it has been bad sensors.
Yes, they will only cycle with the engine running. Without the engine running they should read 0.
with engine off, some read flatline 1.0, some zero. Someone warned me not to start the engine if either side was reading zero to prevent catconv damage. with engine running they either go up to 1.0 then cycle or stay at 1.0 without cycling or remain at zero
the ecu controls the cycling by giving the engine more fuel until is sees a reading close to 1 v, then less fuel until it sees approx. 1 volt, then repeats the cycle. Occasionally it will throw a test in there that changes the cycle for other purposes (sai for example) and will defuel the engine (0 volts) on long deceleration (like down a hill with foot off gas for several seconds).
When the engine starts cold the ecu gives a rich mixture (1 volt), as it warms up it lowers the fuel until it reads .1 volts and then starts cycling. If it starts at 1 volt and then goes to .1 volt and stays there, it could be a lean running bank due to vacuum leaks or bad maf. Best to check that with a known good 02 (cycles) and if the known good 02 does not cycle, you have an engine issue not a sensor issue.
i need to buy new sensors. None of mine are known to be good. Testing by switching them around yielding inconclusive results. not sure if new sensors are heated. Does that matter?
swap them around until you get two that are cycling. Use those as control, swap the others in to see if they cycle. If you know the bank is cycling, but one of the sensors does not on that bank, you know it is bad.
i am not sure the exact cause of that, but in my experience it has been bad sensors.
Yes, they will only cycle with the engine running. Without the engine running they should read 0.
with engine off, some read flatline 1.0, some zero. Someone warned me not to start the engine if either side was reading zero to prevent catconv damage. with engine running they either go up to 1.0 then cycle or stay at 1.0 without cycling or remain at zero
the ecu controls the cycling by giving the engine more fuel until is sees a reading close to 1 v, then less fuel until it sees approx. 1 volt, then repeats the cycle. Occasionally it will throw a test in there that changes the cycle for other purposes (sai for example) and will defuel the engine (0 volts) on long deceleration (like down a hill with foot off gas for several seconds).
When the engine starts cold the ecu gives a rich mixture (1 volt), as it warms up it lowers the fuel until it reads .1 volts and then starts cycling. If it starts at 1 volt and then goes to .1 volt and stays there, it could be a lean running bank due to vacuum leaks or bad maf. Best to check that with a known good 02 (cycles) and if the known good 02 does not cycle, you have an engine issue not a sensor issue.
i need to buy new sensors. None of mine are known to be good. Testing by switching them around yielding inconclusive results. not sure if new sensors are heated. Does that matter?
swap them around until you get two that are cycling. Use those as control, swap the others in to see if they cycle. If you know the bank is cycling, but one of the sensors does not on that bank, you know it is bad.
white smoke coming out of exhaust. After idling for a few mins engine starts to sputter, nearly stalls sometimes. No codes.
will act on your advice after new sensors are in.
thanks again.
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