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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 04:09 PM
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Ok, when i go to start my '00 disco II it takes a couple of turns of the key to start the engine. The starter makes noise and the engine sorta fires a couple of times but doesnt catch. The problem is worse when the engine is cold. When it is at operating temp or close to it the vehicle starts normally (that is on the first turn of the key).
The starter sounds normal as well. no grinding no hesistation no etc no whatnot
Everything else is normal - guages, sounds, fuel, maintence, etc.
The only OBDII error codes I am getting is for my MAF sensor (it got wet during a water crossing a while back) and the recurring one for not-tight-enough gas cap.
suggestions?

btw 141k miles and only premium fuel.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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Sounds like a fuel pump.
But to clarify...when cold it takes several trys to start in the morning?
Once warm it starts right away?
 
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 04:57 PM
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Pilsner,
You still have my number, if so call me.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 06:56 PM
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yup. that about covers it.
no issues once its started though.
we just went up and down some pretty impressive grades while playing this weekend and no issues with fuel delivery there.

any way to tell if its the fuel pump other than replace it?
 
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Yeah there isn't any problems with the starter that I can tell after the rover has already been started. But.... After awhile it will tend to either lose power to where I have to stop vehicle and put it in neutral or park till I get a strong, normal idle. Occasionally she will die. But these Problems only seem to occur after we go 4 wheeling or have taken her thru water. The weird thing is she doesn't seem to have problems while we are doing the obstacles. They happen about 10 to 15 minutes after we complete them. Sometimes later. Cooling System fine. Oddly enough after these weird behaviors for her started the Check Engine light went OFF. You would think that if the rover was having troubles it would keep that light on.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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When a weak fuel pump gets hot it can lose power/shut off.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2009 | 09:44 PM
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ok, so wife now reports that rover wont start- at all.
sounds like a fuel pump. GRRR...
where can i get one for a reasonable price and do i hafta drop the tank to change it?
anyway to isolate the fuel pump as the problem part here?

note to the rover gods:
PLEASE DONT MAKE ME DROP THE TANK TO CHANGE IT!
I ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF ALL THE YANKEES WHO EVER LOVED AND CHERISHED THEIR ROVERS. ITS NOT OUR FAULT THAT WE ARE NOT BRITISH. IF I HAVE TO I WILL TALK WITH A FUNNY ACCENT AND CALL MY WINDSHIELD A WINDSCREEN. JUST DONT MAKE ME HAVE TO DROP THE FUEL TANK TO CHANGE OUT MY BABY'S FUEL PUMP...

YOUR HUMBLE SERVANT
BRIAN
 
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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 04:14 AM
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Sorry I could not make it this weekend. Hope you guys had fun and got pics? You should be able to get to the pump from the top and its pretty easy if its similar to the Disco 1. Get it from the parts Rover in Auburn I told you about. If not I also have the number of a Rover junkyard in West Seattle.

Fred
 
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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 07:28 PM
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Rool up the carpet in your cargo area, open hatch, remove fuel pump.
30 mins from start to finish unless your a idiot.
Just buyu a used one, new ones are like a million dollars.
www.roverlandparts.com
www.autosportsunlimited.com
www.atlanticbritish.com
 
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Old Feb 18, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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Here are the instructions - tool LRT-19-009 is a "screw driver and a hammer to tap it..." - the ring is just a slow threaded cap.

Pump - fuel
NOTE: The fuel pump and fuel gauge tank unit are
integral parts of the fuel pump housing and cannot be
renewed separately
Remove
1. Release fixings and remove battery cover.
2. Disconnect battery earth lead.
3. Models with third row seats: Remove RH
third row seat.
+ SEATS, REPAIRS, Seat - third row.
4. Remove right hand rear lower quarter trim
casing.
+ INTERIOR TRIM COMPONENTS,
REPAIRS, Trim casing - side - loadspace.
5. Models with third row seats: Remove 4
screws securing third row seat latch finishers to
body and finishers.
6. Release and remove screw cover from rear
floor carpet finisher.
7. Remove 6 screws securing loadspace carpet
finisher, remove finisher.
8. Release carpet and tie aside.
9. Remove 6 screws securing fuel pump access
panel to floor.
10. Remove access panel.
11. Clean fuel pump hose connections.
12. Position absorbent cloth to absorb fuel spillage.
13. Disconnect multiplug and fuel hose from fuel
pump housing.
CAUTION: Always fit plugs to open
connections to prevent contamination.
14. NAS models: Disconnect pressure sensor
pipe from fuel pump housing.
CAUTION: Always fit plugs to open
connections to prevent contamination.
15. Use LRT-19-009 to remove locking ring from
fuel pump housing.
16. Remove fuel pump and discard sealing ring.
Refit
1. Clean fuel pump housing and mating face on
fuel tank.
2. Fit new seal to mating face on fuel tank.
3. Fit fuel pump assembly to fuel tank and use
LRT-19-009 to fit locking ring.
4. Connect multiplug and fuel hose to fuel pump
housing.
5. NAS models: Connect pressure sensor pipe to
fuel pump housing.
6. Fit fuel pump access panel and secure with
screws.
7. Reposition carpet.
8. Fit carpet finisher and secure with screws.
9. Fit screw cover.
10. Models with third row seats: Fit and secure
third row seat latch finishers.
11. Fit right hand rear lower quarter trim casing.
+ INTERIOR TRIM COMPONENTS,
REPAIRS, Trim casing - side - loadspace.
12. Models with third row seats: Fit RH third row
seat.
+ SEATS, REPAIRS, Seat - third row.
13. Connect battery earth lead.
14. Fit battery cover and secure with fixings.
 
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