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Old 06-30-2019, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Geo
Here’s an update and a few lessons learned:
Getting a control unit with heated seat buttons is easy. Found a nice one for $50 shipped on eBay
My truck (2006 SE) has the wiring from the foot wells to the seat connectors. No fourth white connector from the controller.
Finding the OEM supplier or compatible 6 way female connector was a lot of time with no success. It is not the TYCO/AMP MULTILOCK 70. Very close, but not close enough!

Finding the right harness on eBay was challenging, most scrap yards don’t want to take good photos of the connectors. They would usually have a ball of wiring and a part number. Found on for $75 shipped with right connector.
Taking apart the dash to the point you can swap the harnesses takes about 4 hours. If you want to recover or replace the dash, this would be the time. Local guy wanted $850 to cover with high quality leather and contrasting stitching. $2k to cover the facia, Vent trim, console and center stack. No way, not on a 6k truck. So, everything went back in after a good cleaning.

Compare the harnesses very carefully! Connector by connector. I got to the Ignition switch before I found a significant difference. I did not know the donor vehicle for sure but had different wires and more of them. So, after all of that time getting to where I could swap harnesses, I went back to plan A, which was strip out the needed wires and connector.
Take lots of photos of the connectors and pin position. Two wires go to the driver’s footwell and three go the the passenger footwell (really 4 as two of the wires splice together about 10 inches from the connector at the controller.
I put labels on the connectors and the wires that I was able to verify continuity versus the wiring diagram. Wife came home to see the dash harness on the kitchen island! Harness is pretty heavy (20 lbs) and what you need out of it, just a couple of ounces. You will get sticky glue all over you unwinding the tape. That will take you about an hour, another 20 minutes to get your hands clean afterwards!
I ran the wires along the existing harness and down into the footwell, securing to the harness as I went. Refer to pictures and insert pins into the appropriate connector. Reconnect all of the connectors, test for continuity to be sure and compare to diagram to make sure you ended where you needed to be.
Finding a part number for the seat heater relay was harder than it should have been. I was unsure of the amperage rating. So, back to eBay. Bought a whole engine compartment fuse box with all of the relays from an HSE for $50 shipped. Now I have many spare relays and fuses! Most importantly, I have the right relay without a trip to the dealer.
Waiting on my new to me seats with heating elements. They are from a 2013 Range Rover Sport. Better style, good condition leather, lumbar etc. I’m afraid the color might be Ivory. Not sure from eBay photos. Seller response was tan. For $680 shipped for both front and the rear, I was willing to take the chance that I wouldn’t hate the color once in the car. No access to color codes. Unfortunately, VIN lookup will not tell you interior color code. They have memory, so getting them to move when I hit the switch will be the next challenge. I’ve learned more about the many auto networks and master/slave conmmunication than I will ever use. 2006 and 2013....not the same! Wiring configuration is surprisingly similar though. Most new switches complete the circuit by grounding as opposed to old school 12v +....
Who knew....

Anyway, got everything back together (another 3 hours) and only two extra screws. I put some foam tape at some of the obvious plastic to plastic joints.
Light goes on for left and right seats. Should have the new seats in the next day or two.

If I were to do it again, I would pull some of the female pins out of a connector and order a few of anything similar online. I would not have pulled the dash apart. I would have just fished new wires from the console to the footwells and create my own harness. I’d just shrink wrap the female connectors for the controller and slide them on and try to secure them with tape.
I did consider aftermarket heat and cooled seat kit. If my leather was in better shape, I would have tried that first. Nice kit was $350 per side, but I’d have cooled seats too.

Will add more when the seats come in.
Any chance you recall where you pickup pins 1 and 2 from the control model? Unless I missed it you only noted 3 through 6. Pins 1 and 2 are the power source and the schematic shows them going to the fuse panel under the hood.
Thanks in advance.
 
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:27 PM
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...are there separate relays for each seat? I have one seat not gettin' hot!
 
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Originally Posted by Geo
Here’s an update and a few lessons learned:
Getting a control unit with heated seat buttons is easy. Found a nice one for $50 shipped on eBay
My truck (2006 SE) has the wiring from the foot wells to the seat connectors. No fourth white connector from the controller.
Finding the OEM supplier or compatible 6 way female connector was a lot of time with no success. It is not the TYCO/AMP MULTILOCK 70. Very close, but not close enough!

Finding the right harness on eBay was challenging, most scrap yards don’t want to take good photos of the connectors. They would usually have a ball of wiring and a part number. Found on for $75 shipped with right connector.
Taking apart the dash to the point you can swap the harnesses takes about 4 hours. If you want to recover or replace the dash, this would be the time. Local guy wanted $850 to cover with high quality leather and contrasting stitching. $2k to cover the facia, Vent trim, console and center stack. No way, not on a 6k truck. So, everything went back in after a good cleaning.

Compare the harnesses very carefully! Connector by connector. I got to the Ignition switch before I found a significant difference. I did not know the donor vehicle for sure but had different wires and more of them. So, after all of that time getting to where I could swap harnesses, I went back to plan A, which was strip out the needed wires and connector.
Take lots of photos of the connectors and pin position. Two wires go to the driver’s footwell and three go the the passenger footwell (really 4 as two of the wires splice together about 10 inches from the connector at the controller.
I put labels on the connectors and the wires that I was able to verify continuity versus the wiring diagram. Wife came home to see the dash harness on the kitchen island! Harness is pretty heavy (20 lbs) and what you need out of it, just a couple of ounces. You will get sticky glue all over you unwinding the tape. That will take you about an hour, another 20 minutes to get your hands clean afterwards!
I ran the wires along the existing harness and down into the footwell, securing to the harness as I went. Refer to pictures and insert pins into the appropriate connector. Reconnect all of the connectors, test for continuity to be sure and compare to diagram to make sure you ended where you needed to be.
Finding a part number for the seat heater relay was harder than it should have been. I was unsure of the amperage rating. So, back to eBay. Bought a whole engine compartment fuse box with all of the relays from an HSE for $50 shipped. Now I have many spare relays and fuses! Most importantly, I have the right relay without a trip to the dealer.
Waiting on my new to me seats with heating elements. They are from a 2013 Range Rover Sport. Better style, good condition leather, lumbar etc. I’m afraid the color might be Ivory. Not sure from eBay photos. Seller response was tan. For $680 shipped for both front and the rear, I was willing to take the chance that I wouldn’t hate the color once in the car. No access to color codes. Unfortunately, VIN lookup will not tell you interior color code. They have memory, so getting them to move when I hit the switch will be the next challenge. I’ve learned more about the many auto networks and master/slave conmmunication than I will ever use. 2006 and 2013....not the same! Wiring configuration is surprisingly similar though. Most new switches complete the circuit by grounding as opposed to old school 12v +....
Who knew....

Anyway, got everything back together (another 3 hours) and only two extra screws. I put some foam tape at some of the obvious plastic to plastic joints.
Light goes on for left and right seats. Should have the new seats in the next day or two.

If I were to do it again, I would pull some of the female pins out of a connector and order a few of anything similar online. I would not have pulled the dash apart. I would have just fished new wires from the console to the footwells and create my own harness. I’d just shrink wrap the female connectors for the controller and slide them on and try to secure them with tape.
I did consider aftermarket heat and cooled seat kit. If my leather was in better shape, I would have tried that first. Nice kit was $350 per side, but I’d have cooled seats too.

Will add more when the seats come in.
Found the connect for power to pins 1 & 2 on control head connector. It's a green plug mounted horizontally on the RH side.

Pins 1 & 2 go to the second pin from the back on the lower row.
You'll need to add a pin here to the head unit 1 & 2 pins.
 
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:48 PM
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Power comes from the control directly to the heat elements, no relays between. The bottom and back are in series so if one fails they'll both go off. The bottom failed on one i had. The lower element also has a temp sensor. I'll add a pic of the heat element. The yellow and white wires are the sensor. The other two power wires pair are diagonally positioned in the plug. You should have continuity. And you can check the large plug under the seat for power. Look for the only 4 pin group, see pic.

The back element connects to the small plug.
I think the hot wire is the one closest to the center of the plug. Should have 12v on the two diagonally from the outermost pin.
 
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Default Help fitting heated seats range rover sport

Originally Posted by Geo
I’ve moved from maintenance to creature comforts.
I miss having heated seats in the LR3.
I checked and do not have the elements in the seats.

Here are a few things that I believe to be true after an evening of research:
  • Need HVAC controller with buttons (purchased)
  • Need relay and fuse
  • Wires from HVAC controller to passenger footwell connector
  • Heater elements
Here are some questions:
1. Can’t seem to locate the part number for the relay. Seems to be a 5 pin in socket R11. Fuse is 25 amp. Anyone know which relay i need to buy?
2. How do the elements connect to each other and to the big connector under the seat? Does the back piggy back into the seat base and the seat base connect to the main connector at the front of the seat? There doesn’t seem to be any part between the connector and the pads. I believe the “thermistor” is part of the seat pad.
3. Would you put OEM elements in or buy seats? My Alpaca/tan covers are getting pretty rough. If anyone has a line on some seats with heaters in them, let me know! I see that LR sells the rear element and the seat cushion with element. But the leather is $$$!
4. What are the odds a salvage yard would clip off the connectors that I need behind the HVAC? Are the connectors available online? I assume this not a seperate wiring loom.

I doubt I’m the first to do or at least try this. Any help is appreciated!
hi im stuck on the wiring part. Im missing the 4th plug behind my switch panel. I nought the seats and the control switch. Just wonderd if that loom is something you could buy or do you know how I'd find where it goes too so I can make my own. Thank you
 
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