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Hi folks, I read here often but post rarely.
Im looking for some advice regarding winches and the washer jets for my 2008 LR3, I am looking around at winch options, as I play pretty hard in my LR3.
I've researched all the options, leaning toward the ARB but would actually be happy with any front winch solution as long as it allows me to keep the front headlight washer spray jets..
From what I understand all aftermarket bumpers require some mods (Washer reservoir re located) some trimming of front mudguards and I am happy that will lose my annoying front parking sensors, but i really like the front headlight washer jets and they are useful where I live (lots of salt in winter and dust in summer).
Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.
Depending on your idea of 'playing hard' I wouldn't recommend he ARB. It's not a good technical terrain (rock) bumper as it sticks out so far and reduces approach angle. Also, it has horrible winch access so re-spooling is tricky and just reaching the clutch is a PITA.
It is the most common bumper and yes I do run one. In retrospect I wish I'd gone with the Tactical. While I didn't like it initially based on their website pics, when I later saw it in person I liked it better.
I do think the ARB is fine for what it was intended - more of an overland style bumper that allows you to mount a winch and offers some protection from animal strikes/etc. And since that is a more appropriate use of the LR3, it remains popular. Just be aware that if you do play hard you may want to look at other options.
BTW, I have no idea of the washers are retained in the Tactical bumper.
@PEI PAUL what do you mean by your caption? OME? You have an Old Man Emu lift on your LR3? I've never seen one sold. Ever. Also, you have a 2" lift but are running on street tires (from what I can tell). That should be your first move, tires and sliders...not bumpers.
There are hidden winch options that use the factory bumper. If you have the original bumper then nothing regarding fluid reservoirs or washer jets, foglights or fender flares changes; even the paint colour stays the same. Some people will tell you that reaching the free spool clutch lever is impossible with such a solution, but there are ways around that such as pneumatic clutches.
See post number 62 and on (page 7) of Lucky8's Project Discovery 3 https://landroverforums.com/forum/lr...a-64305/page7/
@PEI PAUL what do you mean by your caption? OME? You have an Old Man Emu lift on your LR3? I've never seen one sold. Ever. Also, you have a 2" lift but are running on street tires (from what I can tell). That should be your first move, tires and sliders...not bumpers.
(Maybe that's an old pic)
No they are my winter tires on my 19s that I use for snow, I have 18s with mud tires for playing.
Yes I removed the nightmare air suspension and replaced with shocks and old man emu springs 2" over standard air ride height.
Paul
Some people will tell you that reaching the free spool clutch lever is impossible with such a solution, but there are ways around that such as pneumatic clutches.
You definitely don't anything that fancy to use the freespool lever on a hidden winch. I managed to fit a 12,500 Superwinch Talon under the factory bumper and the freespool lever is easily usable once I clocked it so that it was pointing forward. Given, you can't really reach it with gloves on, but I have big, clunky hands and if I can get to it easily, then anybody should be able to. :P
Ahhh....thanks for the explanation. Have you posted about your suspension before or are you new to the forum? I have the same wheel/tire setup myself. Nokians on the 19s, MT/Rs on the 18s.
I am keeping the EAS though. I am philosophically opposed to the coil conversion. Simpler? Yes. As capable? No. The LR3 was designed around the EAS. It is a tricky setup but the more we learn about it, the less daunting it is.
...but that debate is for another thread and since you've already taken the plunge and converted, it would all be pointless.
Ahhh....thanks for the explanation. Have you posted about your suspension before or are you new to the forum? I have the same wheel/tire setup myself. Nokians on the 19s, MT/Rs on the 18s.
I am keeping the EAS though. I am philosophically opposed to the coil conversion. Simpler? Yes. As capable? No. The LR3 was designed around the EAS. It is a tricky setup but the more we learn about it, the less daunting it is.
...but that debate is for another thread and since you've already taken the plunge and converted, it would all be pointless.
Yes I understand your concerns regarding the EAS but in the UK there were some LR3 models from new without air suspension. That being said I had a disco2 for 2 years ran only springs and shocks(had been changed before I purchased) then bought the LR3, it was OK on the air but after close to 3 k of repairs and it leaving me on the bump stops in the middle of nowhere on numerous occasions I swapped to springs. I guess my good off road experiences with my disco2 helped the decision be made easier.
I haven't looked back to be honest, I travel at 2" plus height which is what my air would have taken me too in the highest setting (without sensor rod mods) I do medium to hard off road, shale pit stuff with friends who have jeeps and other capable vehicles and I can honestly say I haven't noticed any difference between when I had air and now. In fact the rig feels tighter somehow and just as capable Imho...but like you say that's a discussion for another thread, I appreciated the feedback I got on the hidden winch, that's the way I'm going to go. It was what I wanted to do as I don't like the look of the bulky aftermarket bumpers, though I do appreciate the protection they would give....Thanks for all your inputs.
Ahhh....thanks for the explanation. Have you posted about your suspension before or are you new to the forum? I have the same wheel/tire setup myself. Nokians on the 19s, MT/Rs on the 18s.
I am keeping the EAS though. I am philosophically opposed to the coil conversion. Simpler? Yes. As capable? No. The LR3 was designed around the EAS. It is a tricky setup but the more we learn about it, the less daunting it is.
...but that debate is for another thread and since you've already taken the plunge and converted, it would all be pointless.
I agree with you. I now personally know 3 people who have removed or are removing their OME 2" spring conversion and converting back to EAS.
Right. The LR3 is just not meant for it. Between the IIDTool, having sensors in a shoebox when I off-road along with some rubber tubing and connectors (need to upgrade to nylon tubing) there is less to fear with the EAS except a compressor failure in the bush or a rupture to air hoses that are not accessible. As for the latter, if they are not accessible (like behind sliders) then they are less likely to rupture, too. Also seems like if a compressor is about to fail it lets you know; at which point you can pull fuses or put the EAS in Build Mode via IIDTool.
Winch and headlight washer
