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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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its a tow strap with loops at the end for a shackle
 
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 07:58 PM
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None of my suggestions have to do with winching but recovery. The OP appeared to be hoping to buy an $80 winch. I want to know what other kinds of recovery gear they have because there's a lot more useful things to add to a recovery kit than an $80 winch.... things that should be in there before a winch is going to be much of an additional benefit in most recovery situations. A shovel, kinetic strap, tire changing jack... those are things that can be used to avoid winching in some situations, not used in winching. The problem is that it's often the case that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The OP is wanting a winch, and I want to know what kind of recovery capabilities they already have -- not just what gear they possess, but what they know how to use. If they don't even have a shovel and a jack in their Land Rover, the chances are they don't know how to use them. Nothing wrong with that... nobody's born knowing it.

Also, when using a Hi Lift to pull up to 14,000 lbs using a pulley block, there is less than 7000 pounds load on the Hi Lift. The pin on a Hi-Lift will shear at 7000. With two pulley blocks, I could under the right circumstances, safely move loads with 20,000+ lbs of resistance. I just won't be able to move it very far without re-rigging. The Hi Lift is a tool that takes skill and recoveries with it take more thoughtfulness, but it is a competent tool. In incompentent hands, it's dangerous and I don't recommend it without both training and practice.

Both Bill Burke and OEX train and recommend Hi Lifts for multiple purposes. Maybe not everybody respects that advice, but it does count as somewhat authoritative compared to an anonymous stranger's opinion on the Internet.

Before the OP considers a come-a-long, ask for advice on recovery techniques on a non-Land Rover 4x4 offroading type forum. Find out whether others recommends come-a-longs, Hi-Lifts or cheap, underated winches. Don't be afraid to say what your budget is in x number of dollars. You've got some opinions from Land Roverland... get some more from people who offroad. Most Land Rover drivers do not.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai Jimmy
Just curious - have you ever winched a stuck vehicle with a Hi-Lift jack?

Having done it myself, I'd never recommend to anyone that a Hi-Lift be their sole winching device. It's nice to have as a backup.
Originally Posted by nevada ben
None of my suggestions have to do with winching but recovery. The OP appeared to be hoping to buy an $80 winch. I want to know what other kinds of recovery gear they have because there's a lot more useful things to add to a recovery kit than an $80 winch.... things that should be in there before a winch is going to be much of an additional benefit in most recovery situations. A shovel, kinetic strap, tire changing jack... those are things that can be used to avoid winching in some situations, not used in winching. The problem is that it's often the case that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The OP is wanting a winch, and I want to know what kind of recovery capabilities they already have -- not just what gear they possess, but what they know how to use. If they don't even have a shovel and a jack in their Land Rover, the chances are they don't know how to use them. Nothing wrong with that... nobody's born knowing it.

Also, when using a Hi Lift to pull up to 14,000 lbs using a pulley block, there is less than 7000 pounds load on the Hi Lift. The pin on a Hi-Lift will shear at 7000. With two pulley blocks, I could under the right circumstances, safely move loads with 20,000+ lbs of resistance. I just won't be able to move it very far without re-rigging. The Hi Lift is a tool that takes skill and recoveries with it take more thoughtfulness, but it is a competent tool. In incompentent hands, it's dangerous and I don't recommend it without both training and practice.

Both Bill Burke and OEX train and recommend Hi Lifts for multiple purposes. Maybe not everybody respects that advice, but it does count as somewhat authoritative compared to an anonymous stranger's opinion on the Internet.

Before the OP considers a come-a-long, ask for advice on recovery techniques on a non-Land Rover 4x4 offroading type forum. Find out whether others recommends come-a-longs, Hi-Lifts or cheap, underated winches. Don't be afraid to say what your budget is in x number of dollars. You've got some opinions from Land Roverland... get some more from people who offroad. Most Land Rover drivers do not.
So what you're saying is that you've never had to winch out a stuck vehicle with a Hi-Lift? Taking Bill's class and practicing with one is far from being up a creek (or stuck badly in one) and doing it yourself.

If one wants to spend a lengthy amount of time extracting yourself with a Hi-Lift, go for it. It'll be one hell of a painful workout, depending on how bad your stuck. Or, don't waste your time if you don't have to and get a decent electric winch.

And in the Jeep world (yep, I'm not a raving LR fanatic - I've owned and offroaded several different makes/models), I've seen those who couldn't afford an electric winch use come-a-longs. Just because someone asks a question on a LR board doesn't mean that there will be a different answer on a [pick you mfg] board.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nevada ben
None of my suggestions have to do with winching but recovery. The OP appeared to be hoping to buy an $80 winch. I want to know what other kinds of recovery gear they have because there's a lot more useful things to add to a recovery kit than an $80 winch.... things that should be in there before a winch is going to be much of an additional benefit in most recovery situations.
Why didn't you say that, instead of saying a winch is not of much use? But yeah, a tire repair kit, jack and air compressor are needed before a winch is of much use. Plus you question what he's going to hook a winch to then turn right around and suggest a Hi-Lift jack.
Really, it makes me have to wonder if you've even ever owned a winch. Or a Hi-Lift.

With two pulley blocks, I could under the right circumstances, safely move loads with 20,000+ lbs of resistance. I just won't be able to move it very far without re-rigging.
Ya think? If you'd ever done it the way you talk about you'd know exactly how far you could move it without re-rigging. It's miniscule.
With a 60" jack, which isn't a very common one on rigs, you'd have to re-rig every 24" of vehicle travel with a single ****** block. If you have a second ****** block you have to re-rig every 12" of vehicle travel. With the more common 48" jack you'd have to re-rig every 16" or every 8". And that's assuming you get every inch of slack and stretch out of your rigging before you start operating the handle. The reality is that it's going to be even less.
You're going to be there a while.
Even the come-a-long I suggested is a fair bit of work, but at least you have about 7-9' of vehicle travel with each pull.

The Hi Lift is a tool that takes skill and recoveries with it take more thoughtfulness, but it is a competent tool. In incompentent hands, it's dangerous and I don't recommend it without both training and practice.
So a Hi-Lift is dangerous, yet you suggest one plus all this additional rigging to someone?
A Hi-lift is dangerous even in competent hands. Don't kid yourself.

Both Bill Burke and OEX train and recommend Hi Lifts for multiple purposes. Maybe not everybody respects that advice, but it does count as somewhat authoritative compared to an anonymous stranger's opinion on the Internet.
Then why are you posting anonymous opinions about what you could do with a Hi-Lift in a perfect world?

Yes, Hi-Lift's are quite versatile. I've used them in quite a variety of situations since I bought my first one in 1975. And not just for vehicle recovery. I have 3, so obviously I know they are a good tool to have around. But I also know how to use them and know when they are suitable and when they aren't. For a winch, they are suitable as a backup device.
I don't care who recommends them for multiple uses. I've over 35 years experience with them and I wouldn't suggest one as a primary winch. I don't think anyone who's used one much would suggest one for that either.
And yes, that's just my opinion. But it's an opinion not based on reading online forums, watching videos or reading about how great they are.

Before the OP considers a come-a-long, ask for advice on recovery techniques on a non-Land Rover 4x4 offroading type forum.
A small percentage of people on 4x4 forums, of any target audience, have worked as riggers. You know, people who move large heavy things in hazardous locations for a living?

There's nothing wrong with a quality come-a-long like the one I suggested. And they are certainly safer than a Hi-Lift.
Maasdam also makes a quality product.
Tifor hand winches are also quality, but can cost nearly as much as a powered winch.
Oh wait, hand winches don't have the coolness factor of a Hi-Lift. I guess that's a valid consideration.

I'm pretty sure no one here suggested a cheap winch and in fact the OP even said he wasn't going to get one.
 

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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 02:13 PM
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An 8000 lb is the minimum. If you're on a budget then I recommend the Smittybilt XRC series of winches. I've had them on my Jeeps for years and never had an issue. It's a lot less expensive than the Warn's or Superwinch's which are leaders in the pack.

You can pickup the Smittybilt XRC 8 off of eBay for 379.00 or so.

I personally run the XRC10 (10,000lb) with Synthetic Line that I got from Quadratec.com for $599.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 03:19 PM
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Here's on on Craigslist. Priced on the high side (brand new they are about $530)
Warn M8000 winch
But maybe they'd take a good deal less.

The M8000 is considered by some the best winch Warn has ever made.

Here's one closer to you.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/2578249225.html

If this happens to be an RE8000 jump on it.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/pts/2576627965.html

I've always wanted one of these:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/2572524205.html

Might not be a bad price:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2550362898.html

Anyway, you get the idea. Assuming you can talk them in to a few more dollars. LOL
 

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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by antichrist

I'm pretty sure no one here suggested a cheap winch and in fact the OP even said he wasn't going to get one.

The OP was considering a 2000 pound winch from Harbor Freight. That's an $80 winch that is far underated for the load that could be put on it, even if only incidentally because the Land Rover moved in an unexpected way.

All my responses were to the OP's consideration of this winch, not an adaquate one. Of course an adaquately rated electric planetary gear winch is better than a Hi Lift. But for $80, I would suggest the Hi Lift over the 2000 pound Harbor Freight winch or a come-a-long. And I was pretty clear that you have to be as clever as McGyver to get a safe recovery done with these kind of tools, or as smart as Archimedes.
 
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