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Old 05-31-2023, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by catman
...if you want 300,000 plus miles, change it more often...
300k in a JLR product? At that point, every trip to the shop will cost more than the truck is worth. The engine doesn't need to last that long.
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Old 05-31-2023, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by _Allegedly
300k in a JLR product? At that point, every trip to the shop will cost more than the truck is worth. The engine doesn't need to last that long.
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My 2006 Audi 2.0T FSI engine had more than 200k miles on it when the wheel wells started rusting which prompted its "demise". And I followed the "new school" protocol that is the manufacturer "extended period" oil change interval. That's one user case data point of "manufacturer recommended extended period oil change interval" didn't cause short engine longevity unless you consider 200k miles as unacceptable.
 

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Old 05-31-2023, 06:35 AM
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The Defender ECU monitors usage and will bring forward the oil change if necessary.

l drive mine in the city on a lot of short journeys and after 4,000 miles the first service alert has come down to 16,000 from 21,000
 

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Old 05-31-2023, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lightning
The Defender ECU monitors usage and will bring forward the oil change if necessary.

l drive mine in the city on a lot of short journeys and after 4,000 miles the first service alert has come down to 16,000 from 21,000
Did they update the ECU to do that?

Because according to the owners manual for the 2022, the ecu only monitors "standard" driving usage and that's why it specifically states that if the vehicle is being driven under more demanding conditions (e.g. frequent short trips, off-roading, dusty environment and etc), then the oil change should be shorter (roughly half of the recommended interval)
 
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Old 05-31-2023, 08:01 AM
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This is just a data point of one: I don't drive mine as a daily driver. I have about 13k miles on it after just about 2 years. I got an alert saying that it needed service in 1,400 miles. I then made an appointment with the Dealer and made a 1k trip to Big Bend for it's last hurrah before the service. When I got home, I got the message saying it needed service in 1,400 miles. Say what?? I figured that it was going off of either mileage or time and was just estimating how many more miles (at my typical driving) before the 2 year mark. It would have been about right.
 
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Old 05-31-2023, 08:43 AM
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My rule of thumb has always be mileage or time, which ever comes first (which is also my interpretation of the maintence guide chart. So you being at 2 years, I'd change it. Not sure why the notice did not adjust after your trip though, but your thinking makes sense.
 
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Old 06-08-2023, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mechano2020
First, welcome to the club.
What did you expect ? It is a JLR product, they will charge you whatever they want. And you know what ? You have no say in that.
Why ? you can do it all yourself, but, if you have say an engine issue.... this is going to be an "aha !!!" moment for them to deny you the warranty one way or another.
Quick example, I had this happening to me on a different brand ( I am not going to mention Mercedes here ) where my engine totally died on me while under warranty. Long story short, they have looked at every single item in the service history trying to find a way to deny it. I had even the wipers changed there, at the dealership. 3 weeks later they couldn't find a reason, and had to drop a new engine in it. One of the advisers there told me, afterwards, that they were trying every single trick in the book to get an "aha ! denied !" for my SUV.
So, yes, it is expensive to get any service, but I consider it some sort of insurance if anything happens under warranty.
I change my oils at 5 k intervals, filters, and everything I can get my hands on, before their stupid intervals. Oil is cheap, engine expensive.
...I've also had the experience where I took my 8 year old LR to a local gas station garage. He had a fancy "BMW" sign out front, so they were clearly indicating they worked on expensive complex cars... well, he did no good to my LR. It had issues prior, and he was unable to fix them, or even able to identify them!? I brought the car to the dealer, they found the issues, fixed the problems, and LR drives really nice now. Parts break, wear out, etc. and local shops may not know the way LR seems to hide stuff under the hood. I think this local garage would have been passable with a really basic Toyota or Honda, but LR was just not their area and it showed in their confusion. The local "so-so" garage mechanic was not up to the LC mechanical challenges, so having a good mechanic - at the dealer if you have to - is vital if you want to keep your LR running. My dealer changes the oil every year.
 
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