Grenadier Experience and measurements to L663
Mudding
Joined: Nov 2022
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Maybe an opportunity to flip if you're one of the very first to take delivery but then I feel like enough buyers are going to regret-sell it during the first few thousand miles to keep resale value down.
They only had 5k orders in the US when people expected a $60k sticker How many actually convert? Half?
Think about it, "a modern take on a tough retro truck with best-in-class components including one of the best engines available, all with a second-to-none customer service story". Isn't this what everyone walks around saying they want? And the best Ineos could do is 5000 refundable $450 reservations with a pricing expectation that got blown by 30%? Either their marketing sucks, their design is undesirable, or people really just don't want what they say they do.
They only had 5k orders in the US when people expected a $60k sticker How many actually convert? Half?
Think about it, "a modern take on a tough retro truck with best-in-class components including one of the best engines available, all with a second-to-none customer service story". Isn't this what everyone walks around saying they want? And the best Ineos could do is 5000 refundable $450 reservations with a pricing expectation that got blown by 30%? Either their marketing sucks, their design is undesirable, or people really just don't want what they say they do.
Pro Wrench
Joined: Feb 2021
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From: Atlanta, GA
Maybe an opportunity to flip if you're one of the very first to take delivery but then I feel like enough buyers are going to regret-sell it during the first few thousand miles to keep resale value down.
They only had 5k orders in the US when people expected a $60k sticker How many actually convert? Half?
Think about it, "a modern take on a tough retro truck with best-in-class components including one of the best engines available, all with a second-to-none customer service story". Isn't this what everyone walks around saying they want? And the best Ineos could do is 5000 refundable $450 reservations with a pricing expectation that got blown by 30%? Either their marketing sucks, their design is undesirable, or people really just don't want what they say they do.
They only had 5k orders in the US when people expected a $60k sticker How many actually convert? Half?
Think about it, "a modern take on a tough retro truck with best-in-class components including one of the best engines available, all with a second-to-none customer service story". Isn't this what everyone walks around saying they want? And the best Ineos could do is 5000 refundable $450 reservations with a pricing expectation that got blown by 30%? Either their marketing sucks, their design is undesirable, or people really just don't want what they say they do.
1) It wound up being waaaaay too expensive. Not for me to afford (I have an 80k Defender; trading it on an 85k truck is no stretch.) But why would I change? I’m not a snob (I own a 2-door Wrangler also); you have to convince me your new product offers something more than a Rubicon if you’re going to charge me more. At $60k it’s not that much more than a similarly equipped Rubicon; at 85, it’s a lottttt more.
2) The only reason I’d want it more than my Defender is because it’s more old-school off-road, and therefore more what I’m used to. And that IS in fact why I wanted it. But again, Jeep offers that, Toyota offers that, so why pay more for an unproven, poorly supported (if only because the sheer number of Jeep and Toyo dealers dwarfs anything Ineos will have for quite a while, and especially in rural locales) first year vehicle from a first year company? The one answer for me: because it brought near-Defender levels of refinement when squiring mylady up to Balmoral for a fortnight, while simultaneously offering Rubicon-levels of off-road toughness and customizability for two weeks on the Alexander Mackenzie Grease trail in British Columbia. I was willing to pay that premium to get that. But I’m not seeing they’ve managed it, from the reviews I’ve watched.
3) the looks are very good, sure, but that’s a tough case to make for the big price delta.
4) why did I want to give up 117hp and 70 or so torks, in a truck that weighs 600-1000 pounds more than the Defender, while paying the same or slightly more for a truck with far fewer expensive options (air suspension and ClearSight, to name a couple)? It’s become a tough sell.
I’d originally said I’d order one even if I didn’t think it would be the truck I’d land on, just to enjoy a couple of months and then flip for a 5-figure profit. But that was in early 2022. Times have changed, the truck and its pricing have changed, and I’m out.
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Rock Crawling
Joined: Jul 2020
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From: Kirkland
I will be putting my order in this week. I have spent hours thinking about the Grenadier and the Defender. Both are great in different ways. I have decided the Grenadier based upon how it made me feel. I even had some deep conversations with @GavinC Most recently around the winch, do I need it if I am triple locked. When all is said in done, can get my build in at 85k if i do the winch. If decide against the winch then I am at 82k. Spicy but I see the value there
The detuned engine was for gas but in reality, it is for logevity. The b58 can go up to 400hp and chip will get you at 525hp. Why the downturn, longevity. Lower stress on engine is said to get you 300k before you need to think about changing parts besides the timing chain which needs to be done every 100k. At detuned engine, you still get 0-60 in 8 seconds. I bet you could give it small boost in hp and get it to p300 0-60.
one last @NoGaBiker correct me if i am wrong but when talking torque, you want to look at when and how long you are maxing torque. If I am thinking correctly, max torque kicks in at 1400rpm and pulls till 4000rpm. That is some solid numbers
The detuned engine was for gas but in reality, it is for logevity. The b58 can go up to 400hp and chip will get you at 525hp. Why the downturn, longevity. Lower stress on engine is said to get you 300k before you need to think about changing parts besides the timing chain which needs to be done every 100k. At detuned engine, you still get 0-60 in 8 seconds. I bet you could give it small boost in hp and get it to p300 0-60.
one last @NoGaBiker correct me if i am wrong but when talking torque, you want to look at when and how long you are maxing torque. If I am thinking correctly, max torque kicks in at 1400rpm and pulls till 4000rpm. That is some solid numbers
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Rock Crawling
Joined: Jul 2020
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From: Kirkland
Also check out this video for aftermarket parts that are already coming out or soon to be out. The orginal spring maker has developed a 2 inch lift and throw on 33 and you are now 13.4 inches of ground clearance
https://youtu.be/mfrOQrnbCU8
https://youtu.be/mfrOQrnbCU8
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Three Wheeling
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 75
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Im kind of torn between a new Defender and possibly a Grenadier.
Whatever new truck I buy I would like to keep it long term.
Im not sure the new 4 Runner is what I want, and I have a feeling the Lexus GX will be a soccer mom truck.
Haven't seen them yet.
I have a Bronco on order but not sure I want that.
Got one for my daughter and the wind noise, the roof rattles, and all the plastics would turn me off on the higher more expensive trims.
Nice at 36-40k, not so nice at 60k.
Im not getting any younger so we plan to keep this next vehicle long term.
I think over time the Grenadier might be more reliable than any LR product, esp 5-10 years out.
Who knows?
The bigger question is I intend to use this vehicle for road trips and Im not sure about the overall comfort.
Not sure about how the vehicle drives on road much either.
Most of the reviews focus on off road, and owner reviews may be a bit biased.
I am hearing it drives surprisingly well for a solid axle truck and better than a Wrangler. idk
I would sure like to see one, sit in one and even drive one for 15 mins and see what this thing is about.
Thinking of putting a deposit down and when the time comes either buy it or take my money back.
Anyone have any input?
I believe the Defender is a better vehicle but Im afraid the long term costs will over burden me in the years to come.
Whatever new truck I buy I would like to keep it long term.
Im not sure the new 4 Runner is what I want, and I have a feeling the Lexus GX will be a soccer mom truck.
Haven't seen them yet.
I have a Bronco on order but not sure I want that.
Got one for my daughter and the wind noise, the roof rattles, and all the plastics would turn me off on the higher more expensive trims.
Nice at 36-40k, not so nice at 60k.
Im not getting any younger so we plan to keep this next vehicle long term.
I think over time the Grenadier might be more reliable than any LR product, esp 5-10 years out.
Who knows?
The bigger question is I intend to use this vehicle for road trips and Im not sure about the overall comfort.
Not sure about how the vehicle drives on road much either.
Most of the reviews focus on off road, and owner reviews may be a bit biased.
I am hearing it drives surprisingly well for a solid axle truck and better than a Wrangler. idk
I would sure like to see one, sit in one and even drive one for 15 mins and see what this thing is about.
Thinking of putting a deposit down and when the time comes either buy it or take my money back.
Anyone have any input?
I believe the Defender is a better vehicle but Im afraid the long term costs will over burden me in the years to come.
Winching
Joined: Jan 2023
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l currently have a new Defender but l would say in the long term the Grenadier would be a better bet.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
Mudding
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 174
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l currently have a new Defender but l would say in the long term the Grenadier would be a better bet.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
I see posts of people wanting to keep these vehicles for 20+ years… man… I would be surprised if gas is still widely available in 2043 with the way we’re going.
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jun 2021
Posts: 330
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From: San Diego
For all the talk about JLR products being unreliable, mine have all been great.
And anyone predicting better future reliability from vehicle from a company that hasn't made any before is, IMO, basically insane and probably in need of some urgent medical assistance.
And anyone predicting better future reliability from vehicle from a company that hasn't made any before is, IMO, basically insane and probably in need of some urgent medical assistance.
Mudding
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 239
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l currently have a new Defender but l would say in the long term the Grenadier would be a better bet.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
lt's one of the reasons l am looking at the Grenadier. l can see it still being good in 20 years where it would be much harder work to keep a Defender going that long.
