Grenadier Experience and measurements to L663
#261
I was not aware that the commercial is not available in the US. Without that option, I believe most - if not all - Defenders in Denmark would fit the “mall crawler” description as our vehicle taxes are among the highest in the world. No one would buy these as heavy duty work horses. Maybe this will change in the US, when Defenders are handed over to second or third owners?
LuLu Lemon pants activate!
#262
In the States
I think if the deisel was available here it would sell a lot more than LR thinks it would. I for one would trade in my Defender 110 all decked out for Alaska in a heartbeat for a deisel D300. I tow a 7700 pound trailer on our travels and fuel mileage is abysmal. I can attest that the defender is one tough cookie so far I have had it floating in the water on a deep crossing and on the other one water up to the windshield and he just kept on going. I looked at the Ineos and passed on it. Not enough towing capacity for us. If I could not get steel wheels on the D300 then I would go down to a D250. Because steel wheels is what I want don’t like alloy wheels too much.
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#263
I think if the deisel was available here it would sell a lot more than LR thinks it would. I for one would trade in my Defender 110 all decked out for Alaska in a heartbeat for a deisel D300. I tow a 7700 pound trailer on our travels and fuel mileage is abysmal. I can attest that the defender is one tough cookie so far I have had it floating in the water on a deep crossing and on the other one water up to the windshield and he just kept on going. I looked at the Ineos and passed on it. Not enough towing capacity for us. If I could not get steel wheels on the D300 then I would go down to a D250. Because steel wheels is what I want don’t like alloy wheels too much.
#264
l have a new Defender with the 3.0 diesel and it's a superb engine. The 3.0 doesn't have the reliability issues that plagued the TDV6 and 2.0 lngenium diesel engines.
However l prefer petrol and if l could have got a petrol engine l would have done, despite the worse fuel economy.
But it's not available in the Defender Commercial.
However l prefer petrol and if l could have got a petrol engine l would have done, despite the worse fuel economy.
But it's not available in the Defender Commercial.
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DefenderSISU (08-20-2023)
#265
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#266
I don’t think Ineos can produce the Grenadier cheaper than the L663 - and certainly not cheaper than a 70 series. Most of the issues I get from the reviews I read, is the fact that the grenadier is NOT the “bare bone low cost vehicle” Ineos set out to develop - it’s actually an expensive piece of kit. I don’t see why “rural industry sectors” can not use a coil-sprung commercial Defender? Price point will be similar to Grenadier…
#267
A simple, short of fancy doodad electronics, easy to mod platform. Getting away from the glitz of others who have gone less utilitarian.
It seems it did not meet those design goals set by Grenadier. Also it's about $25-30k higher than billed in the US.
A gripe or realistic assessment of new data. You choose.
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#268
The promise was a start price under £40,000
Even £50,000 (the launch start price) isn't expensive in car terms these days but the Grenadier now starts at £65,000
lt would make a difference if it was "Commercial"
The Defender Commercial effectively costs £40,000 (lead in price) after the tax is claimed through a business
Take off another £10,000 if you are VAT registered, and you can see why there's still a 12+ month waiting list
Even £50,000 (the launch start price) isn't expensive in car terms these days but the Grenadier now starts at £65,000
lt would make a difference if it was "Commercial"
The Defender Commercial effectively costs £40,000 (lead in price) after the tax is claimed through a business
Take off another £10,000 if you are VAT registered, and you can see why there's still a 12+ month waiting list
#269
I'm guessing by anyone who read or viewed any and all of the Grenadier's pre-release marketing and/or prerelease pricing.
A simple, short of fancy doodad electronics, easy to mod platform. Getting away from the glitz of others who have gone less utilitarian.
It seems it did not meet those design goals set by Grenadier. Also it's about $25-30k higher than billed in the US.
A gripe or realistic assessment of new data. You choose.
A simple, short of fancy doodad electronics, easy to mod platform. Getting away from the glitz of others who have gone less utilitarian.
It seems it did not meet those design goals set by Grenadier. Also it's about $25-30k higher than billed in the US.
A gripe or realistic assessment of new data. You choose.
#270
Their whole premise of being was to be a utilitarian affordable platform to replace the beloved ye olde Defender. A platform that could serve as a canvas to many. A minimalist package to excite the off-roader/over-lander/farmer? etc. They were solidly beating that drum of, less electronics, lower cost, less to break.
They're still beating that drum in spite of reality.
Out of the box, it's not up to snuff as stock for where I like to play. I'd need a coil lift and bigger tires.
I love that you can spec sliders and a factory winch and 17" steels. I was real excited to have my order in but reality bites. It's more expensive than my P400 SE trim and would be a challenge to have it take me places I currently go with the clearance it has.
I don't care a fig for LR heritage, spirit of Defender yada yada yada. All marketing BS to appeal to the English gent who'll probably never get it further off-road than a muddy field in Lincolnshire and pines for his leaky, rust-bucket Defender of yore. I like there are more choices and more on the way.
But to suggest that Ineos weren't looking to be a low cost competitor to other live axle platforms and leave IFS n00bs like the dolled up PretendoScubaroo in its dust is disingenuous to say the least.
I just want my play things to let me have fun. The more the better. I don't doubt I'd enjoy driving one and hopefully one day will get to do so with the OP if he ever gets time to venture out.