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Old Mar 4, 2021 | 01:01 PM
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I was super excited to get one of the new V-8 Defenders, but all the materials indicate that you can’t even get it with roof rails and it has no load rating for the roof. I don’t understand why they would create that vehicle then handicap it for it’s intended use. I am sure that there is some safety constraints that are driving this, but other fast SUVs were able to solve this, so it seems more a design flaw or laziness by Land Rover.

I understand that not everyone needs to overland and there is a big market for mall cruisers, but I don’t know who would (a) be looking to drop 100k on a burly looking suv that, (b) doesn’t expect to (or at least envision themselves needing to) be able to put skis/bikes/storage box/kayak/surfboard/roof rack on top at some point and (c) wouldn’t just get a faster/more fancy RRS or something instead to pick up the kids in. Is it just to race your buddy in the G550 or drift in a muddy field like the video? Seems like a very tiny market opportunity. And they want a premium over sticker for the first batch coming off the line for the opportunity to drive one? I don’t get it.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2021 | 01:15 PM
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For the same reason MY22 offers the S, SE, XDynamic SE, XDynamic HSE, XS, X. It's mind boggling.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2021 | 01:47 PM
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To be fair, I dunno if the V8 is intended for overlanding or off-road. I’d stick with the 4-banger for most stuff off the pavement, honestly... lighter weight and more than enough power for whatever, assuming you’re not towing. If you’re mostly dirt-road/fire-trail overlanding and towing a trailer, than the V6 is perfect, and again, has power to spare for such activities.

To me, the V8 seems more about hot-rodding a truck. The power is way overkill for anything off-road or towing. Again, this is just my opinion, and I don’t want to ruffle any feathers (being well-aware that the majority of D2’s purchased are V6s)... But unless I was towing, I’d rather take the more-than-adequate power of the 4c than the 6c and the weight penalty it comes with. To compound that weight penalty with a V8 that is just overkill for, well, everything... it just seems kind of silly to me.

The upcoming V8’s competition is the AMG-spec’d G-Wagens and to a lesser extent, the Wrangler 392 and the fire-breathing versions of the upcoming Bronco. One man’s opinion? These are cafe trucks, not trail trucks. YMMV.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2021 | 06:31 PM
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Maybe I can give some perspective why I would get a V8…

I need a “practical” daily driver that can wear a few different hats. The defender fits the bill. I would chose to get the V8 because who knows if it will still be around in 10 years. In addition, I am looking to get something “special”. I also intend to keep this car for the next 5-7 years, so getting something unique is important to me. And finally, Yes, I will also be going off-roading, but I doubt it will be anything too crazy, so the deficiencies of the V8 is fine.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2021 | 10:54 PM
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Dropping $100,000 on a new Defender would be your first mistake.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2021 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stillruns
Dropping $100,000 on a new Defender would be your first mistake.
How so? Basic Range Rovers are at this price. Not to mention “base” G-Class starting at $130K. Guess it all depends on what you’re looking for.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2021 | 12:33 AM
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you can always add roof rails to the v8 and then go from there. i can’t believe LR spent extra funds to redesign the frame to be least capable

they prob don’t want you going 130 with a roof top tent

my dealer confirmed the roof is the same and can accept the roof rails



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Maybe I can give some perspective why I would get a V8…

I need a “practical” daily driver that can wear a few different hats. The defender fits the bill. I would chose to get the V8 because who knows if it will still be around in 10 years. In addition, I am looking to get something “special”. I also intend to keep this car for the next 5-7 years, so getting something unique is important to me. And finally, Yes, I will also be going off-roading, but I doubt it will be anything too crazy, so the deficiencies of the V8 is fine.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JCZ5
Maybe I can give some perspective why I would get a V8…

I need a “practical” daily driver that can wear a few different hats. The defender fits the bill. I would chose to get the V8 because who knows if it will still be around in 10 years. In addition, I am looking to get something “special”. I also intend to keep this car for the next 5-7 years, so getting something unique is important to me. And finally, Yes, I will also be going off-roading, but I doubt it will be anything too crazy, so the deficiencies of the V8 is fine.
Again, to each their own, but I don’t see the practicality in buying the hot-rodded version of an otherwise capable and fairly fuel efficient SUV. The V8 will feel nose-heavy for even light off-roading, and while they claim 15 city/19 highway, I’m sorry, there’s just no way. There are physics to consider… a truck shaped like a brick with a V8 is getting 10/15 or I’ll eat my hat.

I do get the uniqueness factor, and if that’s important enough to justify the added cost and performance deficits (with the exception of straight line acceleration) then the V8 is certainly a contender. Otherwise, have you considered a 4 cylinder and a well-kept 997? Last of the “dangerous” 911s before they became larger computer-aided grand tourers. Both might come out around the same money as a V8… get your practicality as well as a better go-fast fix…
 
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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TheLittleEngineThatCould
Again, to each their own, but I don’t see the practicality in buying the hot-rodded version of an otherwise capable and fairly fuel efficient SUV.…
A fairly WHAT?!?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ehloo
you can always add roof rails to the v8 and then go from there. i can’t believe LR spent extra funds to redesign the frame to be least capable

they prob don’t want you going 130 with a roof top tent

my dealer confirmed the roof is the same and can accept the roof rails
Thats right. The dealers weren’t able to confirm that when they first came out and I was placing my order. I went with a 110 X instead and already driving it. Super happy with it.
 
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