Looking for Advice (Buying used Defender 110 2020+)
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Looking for Advice (Buying used Defender 110 2020+)
Hi everyone, I am writing you from far distant Croatia and as you can see in the title I am looking for some help in order to buy Land Rover Defender 110 2020+. Since I saw it first time, It was love at first sight 
Then I took it for a day long test drive and I feel in love even more. BUT... From that moment I started with my research and rabbit hole has opened 
So I will need some answers from people that have more experience and knowledge.
What I know:
I know I am looking for 110 D300 HSE 3.0L Engine
I am not going to use this car for towing
I am mostly looking for 2022+ Defender
What I dont know:
Is there huge difference between Meridian Sound System and Meridian Surround? (Previously I had E Class Coupe AMG 2018 with standard Burmester Sound System (Not 3D) and I was satisfied with it.)
I have offer for 110 D300 HSE 08/2022 with 22.000km (13.600miles). I know that first service interval should be after 1 year or 30.000km (18.600miles) BASED ON LR GUIDEBOOK.
Should I be worried if first 22.000km (13.600miles) was done without any service? Could there be any potential problems in future because of that? I am asking that because I usually do oil change and small check up after every 8000-10000km (5000-6000 miles)
What do you think about 110 P400e vs 110 D300? (For P400e I got advice from authorized LR dealership to avoid that engine because it runs at 2.0L petrol with small electric range and that they dont recomend 2.0L engines to anyone for Defender)
Is there anything special that I should pay attention to when buying used Defender 2020+?
These are only things that still bothers me and I would be very grateful if you could help me.
Also If you have any tips and advice that you think I should know feel free to write it down.
Thank you for your time.
Then I took it for a day long test drive and I feel in love even more. BUT... From that moment I started with my research and rabbit hole has opened So I will need some answers from people that have more experience and knowledge.What I know:
I know I am looking for 110 D300 HSE 3.0L Engine
I am not going to use this car for towing
I am mostly looking for 2022+ Defender
What I dont know:
Is there huge difference between Meridian Sound System and Meridian Surround? (Previously I had E Class Coupe AMG 2018 with standard Burmester Sound System (Not 3D) and I was satisfied with it.)
I have offer for 110 D300 HSE 08/2022 with 22.000km (13.600miles). I know that first service interval should be after 1 year or 30.000km (18.600miles) BASED ON LR GUIDEBOOK.
Should I be worried if first 22.000km (13.600miles) was done without any service? Could there be any potential problems in future because of that? I am asking that because I usually do oil change and small check up after every 8000-10000km (5000-6000 miles)
What do you think about 110 P400e vs 110 D300? (For P400e I got advice from authorized LR dealership to avoid that engine because it runs at 2.0L petrol with small electric range and that they dont recomend 2.0L engines to anyone for Defender)
Is there anything special that I should pay attention to when buying used Defender 2020+?
These are only things that still bothers me and I would be very grateful if you could help me.
Also If you have any tips and advice that you think I should know feel free to write it down.
Thank you for your time.
Winching
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they dont recomend 2.0L engines to anyone for Defender)
Do you believe them ?
Best selling Defender in Europe is the P400e
( I would say avoid any diesel in the future )
22.000 km is no problem, it could use an oil change at this point.
Changing the oil every 10.000mls or 16.000 km is fine, earlier is not necessary with these longlife oils.
Find yourself a good one, preferable with electronic rear locking diff and air suspension.
Do you believe them ?
Best selling Defender in Europe is the P400e
( I would say avoid any diesel in the future )
22.000 km is no problem, it could use an oil change at this point.
Changing the oil every 10.000mls or 16.000 km is fine, earlier is not necessary with these longlife oils.
Find yourself a good one, preferable with electronic rear locking diff and air suspension.
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they dont recomend 2.0L engines to anyone for Defender)
Do you believe them ?
Best selling Defender in Europe is the P400e
( I would say avoid any diesel in the future )
22.000 km is no problem, it could use an oil change at this point.
Changing the oil every 10.000mls or 16.000 km is fine, earlier is not necessary with these longlife oils.
Find yourself a good one, preferable with electronic rear locking diff and air suspension.
Do you believe them ?
Best selling Defender in Europe is the P400e
( I would say avoid any diesel in the future )
22.000 km is no problem, it could use an oil change at this point.
Changing the oil every 10.000mls or 16.000 km is fine, earlier is not necessary with these longlife oils.
Find yourself a good one, preferable with electronic rear locking diff and air suspension.
They offered me D300 as "good fuel economy" and bullet proof option or V8 which is out of my budget and fuel economy is disaster
.Yes I am aiming for fully equipped one with All Black X-Dynamic Trim with Ebony Interior and 22" Wheels including all Packs and Air Suspension.
Unfortunately most cars that I find have all equipment but they are missing mostly Meridin Surround System. So I am thinking should I care about that at all.
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4wd High
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I totally understand that 2.0L engines just bring horror stories with them in Defenders based on my research.
I am looking for 3.0L Diesel Engine D300 or Hybrid P400E (Which runs on 2.0L Petrol engine + Electric one)
I had 3.0L Diesel D250 with 250HP for a day long test drive and even after a lot of acceleration, highway and city driving we stayed at avg of 8L/100km. For me that is perfect
I am looking for 3.0L Diesel Engine D300 or Hybrid P400E (Which runs on 2.0L Petrol engine + Electric one)
I had 3.0L Diesel D250 with 250HP for a day long test drive and even after a lot of acceleration, highway and city driving we stayed at avg of 8L/100km. For me that is perfect
Drifting
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Hi Aki.
The 2.0L engines did have some problems (even the diesel 2.0L), you will see JLR quickly changed up to 3.0L shortly after launch. If they've survived a couple of years, I'm sure they would be OK, but knowing hte brand, I think you'd be best to protect yourself as best you can and avoid the 2.0L engines if you have a choice.
Sound wise; the basic Meridian Sound is very good. I doubt you'd notice it unless you drove a surround back to back with a regular meridian system. I certainly wouldn't turn down an otherwise perfect vehicle because it didn't have the surround system. You'd likely be reducing your choice significantly if you did.
The service interval is actually 2 years, rather than 1. So it's quite normal. I would probably ask your dealer to give it a quick service as part of the deal.
On that topic - look for cars which are still within warranty. I heard on the grapevine that the EU warranties have now been extended to 5 years - AND that may include retrospective vehicles. So a 2022 which started out with a 3yr warranty, MIGHT now have a 5 yr warranty. Definitely worth checking as this is purely rumours. And dont believe it unless you get something in writing from an authorised JLR dealer - these guys can get a little tricky when there's a €10k engine case that's cracked..
The diesel engine definitely suits the car - especially if you're doing long distance journeys. The P400e is probably better if you're doing shorter city commutes. Personally, I think a straight 6 Diesel is the way to go for the torque at low revs. I would also consider what HR emissions legislation is coming down the line.
I would also advise you also consider the D250 - same 3litre diesel engine as the D300, just de-tuned a little. It is a touch down on power, but many don't notice the difference enough to see it as a big concern. One other plus point for the D300 is the larger brakes as standard. Downside (for some - 18" wheels arent available for the D300. Again, just keeping your options open. My personal thoughts are that a slightly detuned engine should be slightly more reliable.
Someone mentioned the rear differential.. Having been on a few LR experience days and speaking with the experts, whilst the rear diff will allow you to negotiate serious obstacles in a slightly more controlled manner - I am told that the non-rear diff version will still be able to negotiate 90% of the same obstacles - just with slightly less finesse.. Unless you're planning to use it in very extreme off-road activities regularly, the non rear diff versions are perfectly capable.
Case in point - pretty serious terrain:
Some other points to note:
Interactive Driver Display is not very consistent, even with HSE versions. Sometimes they were delivered with the analog dials (speedo and revs). This might be a deal breaker for many - especially upon resale. So try to find one with the IDD.
Similarly, the central screen sizes come in two version a small one that fits neatly between the two crossbars on the dash. And a larger display which is more ipad-like.
Air suspension is very good and useful in many different applications.
The 7 seats came with a bunch of additional options such as particle filter, rear air conditioning, etc,
Many vehiles were only delivered with one key - with a promise that a second key would be provided. It's crappy, but it's something to be aware of. JLR are finally providing second keys now.
Similarly, some vehicles didn't get USBc chargers for rear seat passengers. This was an after delivery fix that JLR committed to. Have a quick check as you'll need to book it in for them to be added if they're missing.
Finally, the seats... there were some really bad fabric seats at the start, which were then replaced by a partial fabric leather seat (x-dynamic cars have these). The fabric is ok in black. I am not convinced the lighter colour-way would stay clean for long. Keep an eye on it when you consider purchasing one. They are also now offering a vegan/pleather version of the seats.
I dont think you could get full windsor leather seats with the xdynamic pack. tbc
The 2.0L engines did have some problems (even the diesel 2.0L), you will see JLR quickly changed up to 3.0L shortly after launch. If they've survived a couple of years, I'm sure they would be OK, but knowing hte brand, I think you'd be best to protect yourself as best you can and avoid the 2.0L engines if you have a choice.
Sound wise; the basic Meridian Sound is very good. I doubt you'd notice it unless you drove a surround back to back with a regular meridian system. I certainly wouldn't turn down an otherwise perfect vehicle because it didn't have the surround system. You'd likely be reducing your choice significantly if you did.
The service interval is actually 2 years, rather than 1. So it's quite normal. I would probably ask your dealer to give it a quick service as part of the deal.
On that topic - look for cars which are still within warranty. I heard on the grapevine that the EU warranties have now been extended to 5 years - AND that may include retrospective vehicles. So a 2022 which started out with a 3yr warranty, MIGHT now have a 5 yr warranty. Definitely worth checking as this is purely rumours. And dont believe it unless you get something in writing from an authorised JLR dealer - these guys can get a little tricky when there's a €10k engine case that's cracked..
The diesel engine definitely suits the car - especially if you're doing long distance journeys. The P400e is probably better if you're doing shorter city commutes. Personally, I think a straight 6 Diesel is the way to go for the torque at low revs. I would also consider what HR emissions legislation is coming down the line.
I would also advise you also consider the D250 - same 3litre diesel engine as the D300, just de-tuned a little. It is a touch down on power, but many don't notice the difference enough to see it as a big concern. One other plus point for the D300 is the larger brakes as standard. Downside (for some - 18" wheels arent available for the D300. Again, just keeping your options open. My personal thoughts are that a slightly detuned engine should be slightly more reliable.
Someone mentioned the rear differential.. Having been on a few LR experience days and speaking with the experts, whilst the rear diff will allow you to negotiate serious obstacles in a slightly more controlled manner - I am told that the non-rear diff version will still be able to negotiate 90% of the same obstacles - just with slightly less finesse.. Unless you're planning to use it in very extreme off-road activities regularly, the non rear diff versions are perfectly capable.
Case in point - pretty serious terrain:
Some other points to note:
Interactive Driver Display is not very consistent, even with HSE versions. Sometimes they were delivered with the analog dials (speedo and revs). This might be a deal breaker for many - especially upon resale. So try to find one with the IDD.
Similarly, the central screen sizes come in two version a small one that fits neatly between the two crossbars on the dash. And a larger display which is more ipad-like.
Air suspension is very good and useful in many different applications.
The 7 seats came with a bunch of additional options such as particle filter, rear air conditioning, etc,
Many vehiles were only delivered with one key - with a promise that a second key would be provided. It's crappy, but it's something to be aware of. JLR are finally providing second keys now.
Similarly, some vehicles didn't get USBc chargers for rear seat passengers. This was an after delivery fix that JLR committed to. Have a quick check as you'll need to book it in for them to be added if they're missing.
Finally, the seats... there were some really bad fabric seats at the start, which were then replaced by a partial fabric leather seat (x-dynamic cars have these). The fabric is ok in black. I am not convinced the lighter colour-way would stay clean for long. Keep an eye on it when you consider purchasing one. They are also now offering a vegan/pleather version of the seats.
I dont think you could get full windsor leather seats with the xdynamic pack. tbc
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Hi Aki.
The 2.0L engines did have some problems (even the diesel 2.0L), you will see JLR quickly changed up to 3.0L shortly after launch. If they've survived a couple of years, I'm sure they would be OK, but knowing hte brand, I think you'd be best to protect yourself as best you can and avoid the 2.0L engines if you have a choice.
Sound wise; the basic Meridian Sound is very good. I doubt you'd notice it unless you drove a surround back to back with a regular meridian system. I certainly wouldn't turn down an otherwise perfect vehicle because it didn't have the surround system. You'd likely be reducing your choice significantly if you did.
The service interval is actually 2 years, rather than 1. So it's quite normal. I would probably ask your dealer to give it a quick service as part of the deal.
On that topic - look for cars which are still within warranty. I heard on the grapevine that the EU warranties have now been extended to 5 years - AND that may include retrospective vehicles. So a 2022 which started out with a 3yr warranty, MIGHT now have a 5 yr warranty. Definitely worth checking as this is purely rumours. And dont believe it unless you get something in writing from an authorised JLR dealer - these guys can get a little tricky when there's a €10k engine case that's cracked..
The diesel engine definitely suits the car - especially if you're doing long distance journeys. The P400e is probably better if you're doing shorter city commutes. Personally, I think a straight 6 Diesel is the way to go for the torque at low revs. I would also consider what HR emissions legislation is coming down the line.
I would also advise you also consider the D250 - same 3litre diesel engine as the D300, just de-tuned a little. It is a touch down on power, but many don't notice the difference enough to see it as a big concern. One other plus point for the D300 is the larger brakes as standard. Downside (for some - 18" wheels arent available for the D300. Again, just keeping your options open. My personal thoughts are that a slightly detuned engine should be slightly more reliable.
Someone mentioned the rear differential.. Having been on a few LR experience days and speaking with the experts, whilst the rear diff will allow you to negotiate serious obstacles in a slightly more controlled manner - I am told that the non-rear diff version will still be able to negotiate 90% of the same obstacles - just with slightly less finesse.. Unless you're planning to use it in very extreme off-road activities regularly, the non rear diff versions are perfectly capable.
Case in point - pretty serious terrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4TMI4QXHNc
Some other points to note:
Interactive Driver Display is not very consistent, even with HSE versions. Sometimes they were delivered with the analog dials (speedo and revs). This might be a deal breaker for many - especially upon resale. So try to find one with the IDD.
Similarly, the central screen sizes come in two version a small one that fits neatly between the two crossbars on the dash. And a larger display which is more ipad-like.
Air suspension is very good and useful in many different applications.
The 7 seats came with a bunch of additional options such as particle filter, rear air conditioning, etc,
Many vehiles were only delivered with one key - with a promise that a second key would be provided. It's crappy, but it's something to be aware of. JLR are finally providing second keys now.
Similarly, some vehicles didn't get USBc chargers for rear seat passengers. This was an after delivery fix that JLR committed to. Have a quick check as you'll need to book it in for them to be added if they're missing.
Finally, the seats... there were some really bad fabric seats at the start, which were then replaced by a partial fabric leather seat (x-dynamic cars have these). The fabric is ok in black. I am not convinced the lighter colour-way would stay clean for long. Keep an eye on it when you consider purchasing one. They are also now offering a vegan/pleather version of the seats.
I dont think you could get full windsor leather seats with the xdynamic pack. tbc
The 2.0L engines did have some problems (even the diesel 2.0L), you will see JLR quickly changed up to 3.0L shortly after launch. If they've survived a couple of years, I'm sure they would be OK, but knowing hte brand, I think you'd be best to protect yourself as best you can and avoid the 2.0L engines if you have a choice.
Sound wise; the basic Meridian Sound is very good. I doubt you'd notice it unless you drove a surround back to back with a regular meridian system. I certainly wouldn't turn down an otherwise perfect vehicle because it didn't have the surround system. You'd likely be reducing your choice significantly if you did.
The service interval is actually 2 years, rather than 1. So it's quite normal. I would probably ask your dealer to give it a quick service as part of the deal.
On that topic - look for cars which are still within warranty. I heard on the grapevine that the EU warranties have now been extended to 5 years - AND that may include retrospective vehicles. So a 2022 which started out with a 3yr warranty, MIGHT now have a 5 yr warranty. Definitely worth checking as this is purely rumours. And dont believe it unless you get something in writing from an authorised JLR dealer - these guys can get a little tricky when there's a €10k engine case that's cracked..
The diesel engine definitely suits the car - especially if you're doing long distance journeys. The P400e is probably better if you're doing shorter city commutes. Personally, I think a straight 6 Diesel is the way to go for the torque at low revs. I would also consider what HR emissions legislation is coming down the line.
I would also advise you also consider the D250 - same 3litre diesel engine as the D300, just de-tuned a little. It is a touch down on power, but many don't notice the difference enough to see it as a big concern. One other plus point for the D300 is the larger brakes as standard. Downside (for some - 18" wheels arent available for the D300. Again, just keeping your options open. My personal thoughts are that a slightly detuned engine should be slightly more reliable.
Someone mentioned the rear differential.. Having been on a few LR experience days and speaking with the experts, whilst the rear diff will allow you to negotiate serious obstacles in a slightly more controlled manner - I am told that the non-rear diff version will still be able to negotiate 90% of the same obstacles - just with slightly less finesse.. Unless you're planning to use it in very extreme off-road activities regularly, the non rear diff versions are perfectly capable.
Case in point - pretty serious terrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4TMI4QXHNc
Some other points to note:
Interactive Driver Display is not very consistent, even with HSE versions. Sometimes they were delivered with the analog dials (speedo and revs). This might be a deal breaker for many - especially upon resale. So try to find one with the IDD.
Similarly, the central screen sizes come in two version a small one that fits neatly between the two crossbars on the dash. And a larger display which is more ipad-like.
Air suspension is very good and useful in many different applications.
The 7 seats came with a bunch of additional options such as particle filter, rear air conditioning, etc,
Many vehiles were only delivered with one key - with a promise that a second key would be provided. It's crappy, but it's something to be aware of. JLR are finally providing second keys now.
Similarly, some vehicles didn't get USBc chargers for rear seat passengers. This was an after delivery fix that JLR committed to. Have a quick check as you'll need to book it in for them to be added if they're missing.
Finally, the seats... there were some really bad fabric seats at the start, which were then replaced by a partial fabric leather seat (x-dynamic cars have these). The fabric is ok in black. I am not convinced the lighter colour-way would stay clean for long. Keep an eye on it when you consider purchasing one. They are also now offering a vegan/pleather version of the seats.
I dont think you could get full windsor leather seats with the xdynamic pack. tbc
Since my driving style is combination of short and long distance trips I will go with a 3.0L Diesel engine for care free driving.
I am looking mostly for D300 because those models in most cases have everything that I am looking for:
All Black Pack
Heated and Cooled Seats
Digital Cluster
13" Pivi Pro
Black/Brown Combination Leather Interior
Meridian System (There is a lot of models with all other options but they are missing Surround System most of the time, now I know its not such a deal breaker as I thought)
When we talk about differential locking. I thought all defenders have central and rear differential locking system. Since I see they dont, what kind of pack include central and back diff lock or its as simple software unlock?
In the end I have to admit that I am part of those 95% Defender owners who will never take it to OFF-Roading so 18" rims dont play big roll for me. For me this car looks the best on 22" Gloss Black
No matter how I am planing to use the car I always love to have all possible equipment, for me its better to have it than dont. Especially when I am planing to spend around 100.000-115.000 Euros for a car.
Thank you very much again for your time I really appreciate it.
Drifting
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When we talk about differential locking. I thought all defenders have central and rear differential locking system. Since I see they dont, what kind of pack include central and back diff lock or its as simple software unlock?
In the end I have to admit that I am part of those 95% Defender owners who will never take it to OFF-Roading so 18" rims dont play big roll for me. For me this car looks the best on 22" Gloss Black
No matter how I am planing to use the car I always love to have all possible equipment, for me its better to have it than dont. Especially when I am planing to spend around 100.000-115.000 Euros for a car.
Thank you very much again for your time I really appreciate it.
In the end I have to admit that I am part of those 95% Defender owners who will never take it to OFF-Roading so 18" rims dont play big roll for me. For me this car looks the best on 22" Gloss Black
No matter how I am planing to use the car I always love to have all possible equipment, for me its better to have it than dont. Especially when I am planing to spend around 100.000-115.000 Euros for a car.
Thank you very much again for your time I really appreciate it.
For the Diffs: It is permanent 4wd, and they all come with a central diff as standard. The rear diff was available as an optional extra from factory, and I think also as part of the 'offroad' pack. However, the traction control system, combined with the different terrain response settings does a very good job of getting you through whatever it is you're facing. So the rear diff shouldn't be a deal breaker for your use case.
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