Rattle From Engine Bay Under Acceleration
NorCal Defender - Did you ever figure out what was causing your noise?
Tech assist was leaning in the direction of timing and pinging, that's what it sounds like. But engine is smooth and doesn't stumble, no check engine light. Tried running 93 and no change, I'm in Ca so I always run hightest octane 91 from shell or 76. I'm wondering if it could be related to the broken manifold bolts or if there's some heat shield causing it. Everything is so tucked and hidden in this motor it's so hard to say. To me the noise is maybe more driver side firewall area of engine. Timing chain is on the back of this engine too, nothing seems easy going working on this vehicle. Hope you can get it sorted, are you in Ca? Have you had dealer diag yet, what year and miles?
I'm in PA. 2024 with ~34k. I had it at the dealer and they said the could not replicate the noise. Service mgr took it home for the night and nothing. I feel it's getting worse and to the point my 15yr old asked what was the noise! I need to schedule another appointment and ask that a tech rides along to hear the noise. Very frustrating
I'm in PA. 2024 with ~34k. I had it at the dealer and they said the could not replicate the noise. Service mgr took it home for the night and nothing. I feel it's getting worse and to the point my 15yr old asked what was the noise! I need to schedule another appointment and ask that a tech rides along to hear the noise. Very frustrating
Maybe one of the bolts sheared or loosened and now the exhaust manifold is leaking, and is only making the noise under certain load conditions.
Hi all, new here but have been lurking a while. I have experienced the same rattle in my 2025.5 P400 on occasion, under the conditions described. I am convinced that it is spark knock from poor quality fuel combined with higher engine/air temperatures. Seems to improve with 93 or 91 from stations that are selling lots of premium and turning their inventory. My guess is that I got “winter” blend fuel in warm weather when it had the issue. 20k on my Defender and 75% of miles is towing an enclosed trailer and getting 10 mpg, so I am working it. I am in the upper Midwest and the fuel formulations change with the season.
Also…although not a true authority on the subject…I am a mechanical engineer and did research on the drivers of knock in forced induction engines for a former employer that is an engine manufacturer. Knock is all about charge (air plus fuel) temperature. Warm charge air, low fuel flow at these rpm’s, low humidity, and low octane = knock.
Will report back if my assessment of improvement with 93 changes or remains consistent.
Also…although not a true authority on the subject…I am a mechanical engineer and did research on the drivers of knock in forced induction engines for a former employer that is an engine manufacturer. Knock is all about charge (air plus fuel) temperature. Warm charge air, low fuel flow at these rpm’s, low humidity, and low octane = knock.
Will report back if my assessment of improvement with 93 changes or remains consistent.
Last edited by Blade004; Yesterday at 10:07 PM.
Hi all, new here but have been lurking a while. I have experienced the same rattle in my 2025.5 P400 on occasion, under the conditions described. I am convinced that it is spark knock from poor quality fuel combined with higher engine/air temperatures. Seems to improve with 93 or 91 from stations that are selling lots of premium and turning their inventory. My guess is that I got “winter” blend fuel in warm weather when it had the issue. 20k on my Defender and 75% of miles is towing an enclosed trailer and getting 10 mpg, so I am working it. I am in the upper Midwest and the fuel formulations change with the season.
Also…although not a true authority on the subject…I am a mechanical engineer and did research on the drivers of knock in forced induction engines for a former employer that is an engine manufacturer. Knock is all about charge (air plus fuel) temperature. Warm charge air, low fuel flow at these rpm’s, low humidity, and low octane = knock.
Will report back if my assessment of improvement with 93 changes or remains consistent.
Also…although not a true authority on the subject…I am a mechanical engineer and did research on the drivers of knock in forced induction engines for a former employer that is an engine manufacturer. Knock is all about charge (air plus fuel) temperature. Warm charge air, low fuel flow at these rpm’s, low humidity, and low octane = knock.
Will report back if my assessment of improvement with 93 changes or remains consistent.
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