I believe that would be called Nos lol, I am sure mine will be at least that bad

 

[QUOTE=TOM R;413465]don't get me wrong I like my disco engine is ok with the hg done and oil leaks fixed, rest of drive train works well after fixing the poorly designed cdl shifter...abs system on disco 1 should have warranted a recall this is very dangerous esp for a non experienced driver.

I agree 100%, and I actually love my Dscvry! I just hate when it's referred to as a Disco! Haha. I apologize for the digression and Bronco reference.

I read over Tom's comments abt recurring Dscvry 1 probs. They're all valid, and I appreciate knowing what to watch for. But, I don't remember experiencing an ABS problem. I looked up some old Forum posts and read that a member couldn't stop at all and went through a stop sign ?

Is there specific information posted on this Forum abt what the Dscvry 1's ABS prob is/was, so that I can check if mine was ever repaired/modified?

I have a 1997 Dscvry. Maybe my ABS was a better year? I know it's off-topic for the "erratic speedometer" thread, but wanted to ask the question as a follow-up to Tom's post. I'll also be searching the ABS section for info. Thanks.

 

I think that I might've found the answer to my own question. Not sure.

I found a good ABS reference, so I'm gonna read that thread. I just don't know yet if it applies to my 1997 or if a repair to my vehicle was done early on.

I know it's off-topic, but since I'm new, I'll list the ABS reference post here.
7/1/2011
jycsalas (super moderator)
How to: replace Shuttle Valve Seals
AVS SVS Seals -- Land Rover Club V.I
The above link then references to "ABS Modulator Electrical Fault Repair"

Thanks, Josh.

 

I know it's off-topic about ABS, but the reference I found applies only to Dscvry II and Defender, and the 3 amigos.

So, one more follow-up question for Tom R: Is there another repair post/thread for Dscvry 1 that I should read regarding your ABS comment?

Sorry... I get confused sometimes .

 

Tom, I used a 3/16 allen driver on a 12" extender with a ratchet.

Was a PITA to get to but after about 20 minutes of fiddling I found the right angle for me. I also used a hand driver with the 3/16 allen driver on it to get it off and to start putting it back on

 

Thanks

Magna defender
The ABS is finiky IMO, and I have had it several times turn on and I couldn't stop,but if you let off and reapply brakes work fine, most say pull the fuse and forget about it
Believe the correct repair is an adjustment to the wheel sensors

 

Yep, Tom R, you are 100% correct. I checked my service records. I had the ABS problem years ago and had it repaired by LR techs at dealership. But, as is my main complaint with Land Rover vehicles, the manufacturer didn't cover it under warranty. ABS fault had to be a manufacturer defect, since it was experienced by so many members on Forum, with varied driving styles, vehicle use, and home/work locations. There should've been an ABS recall by Land Rover North America. I don't appreciate the "trial and error" approach regarding brakes .

I don't mind buying an expensive new vehicle, if it will last into the next generation. But, I'm paying for a warranty in that price, and the manufacturer needs to fix the kinks and the safety hazards free-of-charge, when vehicle comes to its dealer for service. LR just doesn't do that. You need to fight and scream...or get stuck, stranded, or scared...for LR to cover any repair, even under warranty. That's the problem IMO. Not paying for quality, but paying for quality and not receiving it. Too much seems to have just gone bad when you take a LR in for service soon after its warranty expiration. That's a problem.

For Discovery I owners on Forum who might not have fixed the ABS problem, here's what my service records show:

Jun 2002 (Mileage not recorded on invoice; estimated 65,000 mi)
Description: Customer says brakes squeal loudly and pedal feels low; have to push a long way to stop.
Repair performed:
Replaced worn front & rear brake pads
Replaced 3 faulty lug nuts

Problem not fixed...

Oct 2002/Mileage 67,438
Description: Customer says ABS feels strange. It activates very easily, but vehicle does not stop. (Note: Exact complaint that Tom R described in his Forum posts.)
Repair performed:
Diagnose ABS. Adjust air gap in right front wheel sensor and clear codes. (Note: In his Forum post to me last night, Tom R wrote that he thought the correct repair is an adjustment to the wheel sensors. Tom R is correct.)

The need for an adjustment to be performed on the wheel sensors to have the ABS operate correctly sounds like a vehicle manufacturer defect to me ! I'm surprised that there was no recall. Or maybe there was a recall, and I just didn't receive the notice via postal mail or through the LR dealership?

I don't know. My family and I are just fortunate that I am an observant driver, and I know my vehicles well and how they should operate. It seems that I might need to become a LR tech, so that I can repair mechanical and technical issues, especially on the first report of faulty functioning of a critical system (not on the second report) and before any person or property suffers injury. I'm not sure that I have the time to become a LR tech . In the meantime, I'll continue to benefit from the technical skill of the members on this Forum, including good LR techs. Thank you all.

 

Gotta chime in here... Every dealer and manufacturer is different.

I had a 1997 VW Jetta Trek new from the dealer and had to fight kick and scream on a lot of issues that came up, even under warranty... Even replacement parts after the warranty had expired were faulty directly from the dealership, but they didn't believe me.

I have a friend who has a three year old $120,000 Mercedes... apparently the seals leak and allow water in and fry his electrical harnesses... it has happened twice now and it is a known issue. He kicks and screams, and believe you me he takes no BS... dealership is attempting an experiment to see if other material may seal things better, but ultimately told him that this Mercedes isn't meant for our wet climate in Vancouver, BC, Canada (think of Seattles' weather as it is almost identical)... WTF ?!?!?!

My sister in Law had a brand new Saturn SUV and had an issue with the electrics getting soaked every time it rained in Vancouver, BC, Canada (think of Seattles' weather as it is almost identical) because they were placed in the drivers side wheel well (stupid location) and it was a known issue. The best solution the dealership told her... wait for it... is to not drive when it is raining or through puddles... 0.o WTF ?!?!?!

Every dealership is out to screw you, because no one makes money selling a vehicle... the real money is made on the service side of the business

It doesn't matter what brand or make the vehicle is, that's how the auto industry makes a majority of their money.

Okay, that is my rant for the day

Regarding the ABS, what I recall reading (maybe here or another forum) was that over time the ABS sensors wiggle loose and the best way to do a quick check and fix is to tap the sensors back in gently

 

[QUOTE=archaeology_student;414294] "Gotta chime in here... Every dealer and manufacturer is different..a friend who has a three year old $120,000 Mercedes...dealership...ultimately told him that this Mercedes isn't meant for our wet climate in Vancouver, BC, Canada (think of Seattles' weather as it is almost identical)... WTF ?!?!?! My sister in Law had a brand new Saturn SUV... he best solution the dealership told her... wait for it... is to not drive when it is raining or through puddles... 0.o WTF ?!?!?!"

Archaeology_student... (sorry, I gotta learn how to quote correctly )

Your rant is absolutely hilarious ! Even funnier b/c it is so true. Thank you for the smile . But, the sad thing is that I do think there is an exception (old SAAB), and maybe a second (old Pontiac)?

- The original SAAB manufacturer:
I owned a new 1992 9000CD, and something went wrong with its engine. I'm sure that I got a completely new engine after my complaints. I can't remember the problem exactly b/c I gave that car (and all its service records) to my niece. I own a 9-5 now, and SAAB was pretty much the same with quality control...until GM bought it.

But, I don't want to completely criticize GM b/c...I own a 1987 Firebird, and remember getting seatbelt recalls, and thinking to myself, "Does Pontiac really think that people driving Firebirds are that concerned about exactly where the seatbelts sit across the body? And without airbags and only lap seatbelts for back seats, are these little plastic pieces of any use anyway?"

Who knows? Some companies don't do enough; others are overkill .

But, SAAB and Pontiac are no longer in existence, so maybe that is a clue that recalls and warranty repair of defects are costly. It's funny how VSS and ABS parts fail, but the cassette players in both my 1987 and 1997 vehicles still work ! I use an adapter to connect modern devices.

It just goes to show you that manufacturers can make auto parts last, if they want. But, as Archaeology_student posted...the money is to be made on the service side of the business. I wish that it wasn't. I like driving different cars, and I'd probably buy more cars if it was less trouble to get them fixed properly .

 

Magna Defender,

There was a study done a few years ago that made the news, and it said that a $20 thousand dollar vehicle would cost over $100 thousand to replace every part if a person had to... that's a 5:1 ratio... O.o

Scary thought