First day on the road .... Not a good day
#41
I hope your right. Still waiting for the readiness tests to finish. I know I asked you already and you already said yes but is it actually possible for me to go from 150% of the maximum emissions in all 3 categories just because of a dirty MAF? The average scores for similar vehicles (whatever that means) is about 1/5 the limit meaning I am currently about 8-10X "normal".
Either way .... once the cycle finishes, I will reset, drive for a couple weeks, and if no new codes go for a re-test.
For anyone curious, I found a post somewhere (don't know if it is true or not) about what you need to do to compelte the readiness tests - will do this tonight when the roads are clear and see if it works:
This is a common complaint with resetting Land Rover's OBD II systems. The drive cycle is more complex than in most other vehicles. If you do the following steps below (2-3 times to be safe), your system should be ready.
1. Switch on ignition for 30 seconds.
2. Ensure that coolant temperature is less than 140
°F (30°C).
3. Start engine and allow to idle for 2 minutes. (i.e. 2 min idle while cold)
4. Perform 2 light accelerations (0 to 35 mph with
light pedal pressure).
5. Perform 2 medium accelerations (0 to 45 mph
with moderate pedal pressure).
6. Perform 2 hard accelerations (0 to 55 mph with
heavy pedal pressure).
7. Cruise at 60 mph for 5 minutes.
8. Cruise at 50 mph for 5 minutes.
9. Cruise at 35 mph for 5 minutes.
10. Allow engine to idle for 2 minutes.
1. Switch on ignition for 30 seconds.
2. Ensure that coolant temperature is less than 140
°F (30°C).
3. Start engine and allow to idle for 2 minutes. (i.e. 2 min idle while cold)
4. Perform 2 light accelerations (0 to 35 mph with
light pedal pressure).
5. Perform 2 medium accelerations (0 to 45 mph
with moderate pedal pressure).
6. Perform 2 hard accelerations (0 to 55 mph with
heavy pedal pressure).
7. Cruise at 60 mph for 5 minutes.
8. Cruise at 50 mph for 5 minutes.
9. Cruise at 35 mph for 5 minutes.
10. Allow engine to idle for 2 minutes.
#42
I hope so ... but not holding my breath yet ... Everytime I thought I was there something else came up.
Thanks for the vote of confidence
More likely that code is one of those that has to occur on more than one drive cycle before it turns on CEL. It is waiting for you, waiting to drain your wallet, waiting to cut your last nerve, waiting to convert all the fun of the Rover experience to eternal toolbox toting. But I hope not after you clear it.
#43
#44
That being said - I was able to make a special request with the government to give me a special 3 month exemption and now got insurance for 3 months. This was based on the fact that the PO had failed and I bought the truck in non-working order and they figured it was fair that I got some road time to try to fix. Luckily I managed to get ahold of someone that wanted to be nice.
So I have until August 15 to get this resolved and get insured and registered the normal way.
Worst case - if I can't pass on my own by August 1, I will goto a shop. Best case they fix it. Worst case I spend the required $600 and get a conditional pass and a list of further problems I can resolve on my own.
#45
Went for a long drove today with all the procedures noted. Also figured I would try and find a large hill, open rad cap and put an end to the gurgling noise under my dash.
Got home and cat sensors still not ready/complete their testing and now I have 3 codes instead of my previous 1...
P1179 as before + P0300 + P0138.
Also git excited when we started revving and the bubbles started coming up in the expansion tank, but after 5 minutes they were still coming at a reasonable rate. Head gasket? On the other hand compression is okay, don't see any water in the oil, no smoke, and no overheating since replacing the rad.
Misfire and 02 codes now.....
Got home and cat sensors still not ready/complete their testing and now I have 3 codes instead of my previous 1...
P1179 as before + P0300 + P0138.
Also git excited when we started revving and the bubbles started coming up in the expansion tank, but after 5 minutes they were still coming at a reasonable rate. Head gasket? On the other hand compression is okay, don't see any water in the oil, no smoke, and no overheating since replacing the rad.
Misfire and 02 codes now.....
#46
$50 or so chemical test from parts store will confirm if exhaust gas is in coolant.
Some have had to reverse the heater core connections to flush out stubborn trapped bubbles. Or you could have an undiscovered external leak (water goes out, air comes in).
Certainly misfires can be caused by coolant leaks. O2 sensor bank1 rear has high volts out of specification range (P0138). Random / multiple misfires (P0300).
Since rad is good, might consider a head gasket stop leak like KSeal or BG44 as a bandaid.
Some have had to reverse the heater core connections to flush out stubborn trapped bubbles. Or you could have an undiscovered external leak (water goes out, air comes in).
Certainly misfires can be caused by coolant leaks. O2 sensor bank1 rear has high volts out of specification range (P0138). Random / multiple misfires (P0300).
Since rad is good, might consider a head gasket stop leak like KSeal or BG44 as a bandaid.
#47
0138 oxs fault bank 1 downstream high voltage.
1179 the same ox sensor is not switching lean to rich
Replace the bank 1 (drivers side) downstream ox sensor to start.
The others should be replaced, but start with the one thats setting the code.
For your hot restart issue, check your fuel pressure, it should be 38 psi
and not drop off when you shut the engine off.
The readiness tests for the ox sensors will not complete until the ECU sees them
switching correctly.
1179 the same ox sensor is not switching lean to rich
Replace the bank 1 (drivers side) downstream ox sensor to start.
The others should be replaced, but start with the one thats setting the code.
For your hot restart issue, check your fuel pressure, it should be 38 psi
and not drop off when you shut the engine off.
The readiness tests for the ox sensors will not complete until the ECU sees them
switching correctly.
#48
The readiness test not complete is for the Cats, not the O2 sensors, apparently. Don't know if these are related.
My understanding is that the downstream O2 sensor does little other than work as a tool to test cat efficiency and also act as a backup if the front one fails. Is this correct?
I would order 2 X O2 sensors for bank 1 (as I haven't had any bank 2 codes since I got the truck) but just want to make sure I am not reverse diagnosing (i.e. the O2 codes are being cuases by misfires vs the bad mixture from the O2 causing misfires).
First and foremost though I need to establish if my head gasket is broken. If so, replace. If not, get the damn air out of there. #1 - I'm sure air in the system would affect NOX. #2 the water under the dash noise is driving me crazy.
My understanding is that the downstream O2 sensor does little other than work as a tool to test cat efficiency and also act as a backup if the front one fails. Is this correct?
I would order 2 X O2 sensors for bank 1 (as I haven't had any bank 2 codes since I got the truck) but just want to make sure I am not reverse diagnosing (i.e. the O2 codes are being cuases by misfires vs the bad mixture from the O2 causing misfires).
First and foremost though I need to establish if my head gasket is broken. If so, replace. If not, get the damn air out of there. #1 - I'm sure air in the system would affect NOX. #2 the water under the dash noise is driving me crazy.
0138 oxs fault bank 1 downstream high voltage.
1179 the same ox sensor is not switching lean to rich
Replace the bank 1 (drivers side) downstream ox sensor to start.
The others should be replaced, but start with the one thats setting the code.
For your hot restart issue, check your fuel pressure, it should be 38 psi
and not drop off when you shut the engine off.
The readiness tests for the ox sensors will not complete until the ECU sees them
switching correctly.
1179 the same ox sensor is not switching lean to rich
Replace the bank 1 (drivers side) downstream ox sensor to start.
The others should be replaced, but start with the one thats setting the code.
For your hot restart issue, check your fuel pressure, it should be 38 psi
and not drop off when you shut the engine off.
The readiness tests for the ox sensors will not complete until the ECU sees them
switching correctly.
#49
If it is indeed a head gasket issue, I thought those stop leak compounds tend to clog up the rad? I don't want to kill a new rad so I think if its a head gasket issue, I will consider replacing the head gasket ... just hope it isn't in need of a new head gasket + new O2s = $$$$.
$50 or so chemical test from parts store will confirm if exhaust gas is in coolant.
Some have had to reverse the heater core connections to flush out stubborn trapped bubbles. Or you could have an undiscovered external leak (water goes out, air comes in).
Certainly misfires can be caused by coolant leaks. O2 sensor bank1 rear has high volts out of specification range (P0138). Random / multiple misfires (P0300).
Since rad is good, might consider a head gasket stop leak like KSeal or BG44 as a bandaid.
Some have had to reverse the heater core connections to flush out stubborn trapped bubbles. Or you could have an undiscovered external leak (water goes out, air comes in).
Certainly misfires can be caused by coolant leaks. O2 sensor bank1 rear has high volts out of specification range (P0138). Random / multiple misfires (P0300).
Since rad is good, might consider a head gasket stop leak like KSeal or BG44 as a bandaid.
#50
Was just going through and trying to find the idle control value unit to clean and noticed - there is a hose going from my brake booster that connects to the drivers' side front of the top of the engine (front drivers' side of plenum/intake unit). I would assume this would be a vaccumm hose but the weird thing is that the end that goes into the engine has a metal piece on the end with a clip like fitting instead of a normal vaccum hose connection ...
Anyway it is just hanging there ... i can hold the cable and move it in and out without any resistance.
How is this supposto connect on?
Could this be causing issues - i.e. vac leak making rich = failed emissions and spit codes?
Anyway it is just hanging there ... i can hold the cable and move it in and out without any resistance.
How is this supposto connect on?
Could this be causing issues - i.e. vac leak making rich = failed emissions and spit codes?