Discovery I Talk about the Land Rover Discovery Series I within.

Stumble issue 95 D1

Old Aug 11, 2011 | 06:27 AM
  #1  
jdracersc's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Three Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Charleston,sc
Exclamation Stumble issue 95 D1

Ok guys, My truck has been stumbling/losing rpms and wanting to die only when it is engaged in gear( reverse/drive). It does it more often if I a running AC. It wont miss a lick when driving it at speed. Only when coming to a stop. I replaced the IACV with a new one. The fuel pressure is good (32-34psi) and it doesn't drop when the engine stumbles. I searched for vacuum leaks with spraying the starter fluid around intake plenum, manifold, vac hoses,etc.. No dice...... Also, sometimes when the truck stumblesand wants to die the charging system(battery) light pops on the dash. Then as I take of it flickers and goes away.. And finally the last symptom is when running the AC and it stumbles, I give it gas and NOTHING. I can pump the gas pedal and no response, it just continues to cough and stumble until I turn off AC and the rpms jump back up.... So could my issue be an alternator, battery, MAF, ???? ANy help will be much appreciated.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 06:44 AM
  #2  
LRD2&ME's Avatar
Winching
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 553
Likes: 8
From: Oklahoma; where the winds come rolling down the plains.
Default

If your fuel system is ok, I would then think to check to see if you have good plugs, wires, coils. Of course a bad or malfunctioning alternator could cause ignition trouble. Check your battery voltage at idle and then check again with 1500-3000 RPM's. This will give you the battery charging voltage from the alternator. Double check all the connections at the alternator. Does your engine stumble when the engine is cold or hot, or both?
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 06:53 AM
  #3  
Savannah Buzz's Avatar
Super Moderator
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 16,322
Likes: 88
From: Savannah Georgia
Default

Agreed on the voltage problem. The AC is both a physical load (compressor via the clutch) and electrical (clutch and three fans - two outside and one under the dash). Might want to do these tests with AC compressor clutch disconnected, or fuse associated with it pulled. In addition to cleaning up the battery terminals, while you have it diconnected, clean up the two large connectors in the under hood fuse box, plus check for any of the large fuses having corrosion where they are bolted down. When you increase the DC current being drawn by the vehicle, if you have a marginal connection it will create a voltage drop at that point, impacting everything beyond it. When you remove the high power drain, things may go back to normal. You can poke around with your meter, seeing what voltage is at the battery, then follow to other + voltage points along the path, like fuse, fuse terminal box wiring, connector, etc. Your other tests have eliminated fuel pump and fuel pressure - and if fuel filter or filter sock in tank on the pump was clogged, fuel pressure should drop quite a bit when revved up.

Seems like if was a sensor, like the throttle position sensor, this problem would not be AC / non-AC related. But TPS are good for stumble as well.
 

Last edited by Savannah Buzz; Aug 11, 2011 at 07:00 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 11:47 AM
  #4  
jdracersc's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Three Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Charleston,sc
Default

It stumbles both when cold and hot...It's just such an intermittent problem I am assuming it's electrical. The plugs, wires, cap/rotor are all less than 1000 miles old. Actually plugs I replaced last week..It stumbles more frequently with the AC running than when I don't use it. It's just weird, I can go a couple days without an issue then, BAM it acts up out of the blue...
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 12:21 PM
  #5  
discomedic4's Avatar
Winching
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 749
Likes: 4
From: Briar, TX
Default

I was thinking TPS. You could try just unplugging the TPS and see how it does. Just remember with the TPS unplugged it will idle really high. See if it stumbles. If so plug the TPS back in and move on to other things. That's what I would try.

*Disclaimer: I am not a mechanic nor do I play one on TV. Any advice followed is done at your own risk.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 04:29 PM
  #6  
jdracersc's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Three Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Charleston,sc
Default

Could it have anything to do with the VSS? As it only happens when in gear, if in park/neutral it seems to stumble a bit then rpms pick back up..I will try the TPS and see what I get.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 07:35 PM
  #7  
LRD2&ME's Avatar
Winching
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 553
Likes: 8
From: Oklahoma; where the winds come rolling down the plains.
Default

Sounds like an under load problem. This could be a fuel system issue indeed. Possibly early signs of the fuel pump getting weaker. I would test this by putting the vehicle in drive and apply brake. Give the engine some RPM's and hold it at around 3000. See if it stumbles or chokes out. If it happens in gear it could also be signs of a torque converter.
 
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2011 | 07:55 PM
  #8  
Spike555's Avatar
Team Owner
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,212
Likes: 98
From: Grand Rapids MI
Default

When you installed the new IACV did you calibrate it?
 
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2011 | 05:38 AM
  #9  
jdracersc's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Three Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Charleston,sc
Default

Originally Posted by LRD2&ME
Sounds like an under load problem. This could be a fuel system issue indeed. Possibly early signs of the fuel pump getting weaker. I would test this by putting the vehicle in drive and apply brake. Give the engine some RPM's and hold it at around 3000. See if it stumbles or chokes out. If it happens in gear it could also be signs of a torque converter.
When I suspected a fuel issue, I hooked guage up to rail and ran line and guage up to windshield and drove it around for a couple days. It never dropped below 30psi, if memory serves me, when accelerating and when coming to a stop light, idling and it would stumble/sputter and act like it was gonna die the fuel psi stayed consistent @ 32-34psi. So IDK, I will try your suggestion.
 
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2011 | 05:39 AM
  #10  
jdracersc's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Three Wheeling
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Charleston,sc
Default

Originally Posted by discomedic4
I was thinking TPS. You could try just unplugging the TPS and see how it does. Just remember with the TPS unplugged it will idle really high. See if it stumbles. If so plug the TPS back in and move on to other things. That's what I would try.

*Disclaimer: I am not a mechanic nor do I play one on TV. Any advice followed is done at your own risk.
Didn't get to work on the rover last nite, damn thunderstorms.......
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:55 PM.