Good deal or no?
4K = no where near what I paid for any of my RRC/D1/D2's and I drive the hell out of them. Only LR I've paid more for was my 2006 LR3 HSE at 10.9K.
There are good LR's out there from 1K to 4K easy. You just have to know what you're looking at. 3 Amigo's = very common, and just take an OBDII Reader that can read the codes. 99% of the time it's the shuttle valve switches or a bad sensor. In fact while I was out doing a bit of TLC to my LR fleet I looked at all my Wabco ABS Modulators in all my D2's. They're still the original units dated exactly the same year as the D2 it's in. People complain about the 3 Amigo's but I find them a breeze to fix with Option B and new sensors/hubs. Then of coarse you have the famous overheat problems due to **** poor maintenance or owners who were clueless. OBDII Reader would once again be handy to pull pending and active codes to give you a bit of history.
DO NOT just jump into any used car without doing research first!! If you aren't mechanically inclined then take the vehicle to a shop you trust to fully look it over. There are lots of independent LR shops out there these days. DO NOT buy on impulse. If the owner seems fishy run, if he has 10 other cars in the yard run, if it has any aftermarket alarm/DVD/radio crap run (no matter what vehicle it's installed in a **** poor job = electrical nightmare!), If you get there to test drive it, and you find a gallon of oil, coolant, transmission fluid, and brake fluid tossed in the back run.. Drive it long enough to get it up to operating temps and monitor the engine temp with your Scangauge II or Ultragauge. In the meantime test every single electrical item, and crawl under it and inspect it for rust, any weird body tweaks/repairs, and pop the hood and listen to it idle.
People will try to pass off crap all the time, but I have never done that. Anything I've ever owned & sold was in better shape than when I bought it. If you don't get a feeling the owner cared for it then walk. You can spot a person that cares for their vehicle in seconds vs one who doesn't.
A used LR can be awesome if you know what to look out for and what to avoid. I'd drive any of my LR's across the US in a heartbeat with just a small backup of misc parts (I've taken spares on every brand vehicle I've ever owned). If I didn't trust em I wouldn't own them!
Common D2 Used Issues:
Faded Roof/Hood Paint
Broken Dash Coin/Ash Tray Bin's (Zip Tie fix does wonders to this)
3 Amigo's (Option B or 35.00 worth of new sensors all the way around)
Window won't work (broken regulator or motor)
Door Lock INOP (needs a new electronic lock)
Steering wheel colored leather worn/ugly (paracord wrap it or replace it)
Cruise Control INOP (check vacuum line or it could be a dead vacuum pump or ECU)
Sunroof Leak (broken drain, clogged drain, or bad seals)
Saggy Headliner (in the UK 80F is there normal summer temps so in the US it never stood a chance)
Free Upgrade = All Leather D2 seats are heated! Grab some heated seat switches and you're good to go
Leaky Throttle Body Heater Plate (Bypass or Replace your choice)
A Pillar Cracked/Missing (plastic gets brittle)
Windshield Cowl Cracked/Missing (plastic gets brittle)
Squeaky Blower motor (check for debris)
Worn Leather EBrake & 4WD Selector Boot (remove goo & dye black or replace)
CD Changer INOP (take apart & lube if it says magazine missing or won't load CD's or replace)
Foggy 03-04 Headlights (clean & if that doesn't work take em apart & re-seal)
Cracked/Broken Front Rear/Bumpers = (brittle plastic replace with metal bumpers)
03-04 Rear Tail Lamps full of water (drill small hole in bottom to allow water to drain) not as good quality tail light as 99-02 IMHO
Rear Cargo Door leaks (move strike inward some)
Lug Nuts missing caps or hard to put socket on (Buy one piece solid metal lug nuts)
SE7 Step sagging (replace strut or remove step)
Cargo Door license plate lights inop (replace with LED)
3rd brake light inop (breaks easy due to slamming cargo door, replace with LED)
Hard Coolant lines brittle (replace with 5/16 coolant hose)
Replace front drive shaft regardless of it's condition as piece of mind (you'll thank me later)
Replace thermostat to 180F unit (if not already done)
Destroyed D2 Key/Remote/Fob (10.00 from China & you're good to go if shorting the pins still locks/unlocks the doors)
That's just a few common things to be prepared for with a D2.
When I first got back into LR's with my 98 LSE D1 it took me maybe a month to sort all it's interior trim out, and a few maintenance items. As I got back into the swing of LR's the D2's I bought went to a maybe two weeks, and recently with my 04 D2 I had it pretty well looking new inside/out in 2 days thanks to a small collection of spare parts, but mainly the knowledge of every single thing above and all the other small things that are normally falling apart, but can be repaired very easy for next to nothing.
The 04 had the bottom of the seat cushions popping off the rail the plastic piece is supposed to clip to... I got tired of it popping off and using 6 small self tapping screws I secured the plastic pieces on both front seat bottoms (both were still sewn into the leather/vinyl perfectly) to the metal rail and bingo like new! It's the small details like that which can make an old D2 look new again.
I laugh my butt off when I see those 12-16K D2's on Ebay from Houston, TX. They act like they fully restore them, but I spot so many flaws in those pictures. They're just 3-6K D2's with cheap tires slapped on them, lots of tire shine, a cheap shovel, axe, roof rack, LED lights, and gas cans, but it's to take your attention off the small details they didn't fix or haven't touched.
If anyone selling a vehicle tells you all it needs is a tune up or a spark plug = they're lying their butts off. If it was that easy and cheap why didn't they fix it?? Because that's not what is wrong with it!
There are good LR's out there from 1K to 4K easy. You just have to know what you're looking at. 3 Amigo's = very common, and just take an OBDII Reader that can read the codes. 99% of the time it's the shuttle valve switches or a bad sensor. In fact while I was out doing a bit of TLC to my LR fleet I looked at all my Wabco ABS Modulators in all my D2's. They're still the original units dated exactly the same year as the D2 it's in. People complain about the 3 Amigo's but I find them a breeze to fix with Option B and new sensors/hubs. Then of coarse you have the famous overheat problems due to **** poor maintenance or owners who were clueless. OBDII Reader would once again be handy to pull pending and active codes to give you a bit of history.
DO NOT just jump into any used car without doing research first!! If you aren't mechanically inclined then take the vehicle to a shop you trust to fully look it over. There are lots of independent LR shops out there these days. DO NOT buy on impulse. If the owner seems fishy run, if he has 10 other cars in the yard run, if it has any aftermarket alarm/DVD/radio crap run (no matter what vehicle it's installed in a **** poor job = electrical nightmare!), If you get there to test drive it, and you find a gallon of oil, coolant, transmission fluid, and brake fluid tossed in the back run.. Drive it long enough to get it up to operating temps and monitor the engine temp with your Scangauge II or Ultragauge. In the meantime test every single electrical item, and crawl under it and inspect it for rust, any weird body tweaks/repairs, and pop the hood and listen to it idle.
People will try to pass off crap all the time, but I have never done that. Anything I've ever owned & sold was in better shape than when I bought it. If you don't get a feeling the owner cared for it then walk. You can spot a person that cares for their vehicle in seconds vs one who doesn't.
A used LR can be awesome if you know what to look out for and what to avoid. I'd drive any of my LR's across the US in a heartbeat with just a small backup of misc parts (I've taken spares on every brand vehicle I've ever owned). If I didn't trust em I wouldn't own them!
Common D2 Used Issues:
Faded Roof/Hood Paint
Broken Dash Coin/Ash Tray Bin's (Zip Tie fix does wonders to this)
3 Amigo's (Option B or 35.00 worth of new sensors all the way around)
Window won't work (broken regulator or motor)
Door Lock INOP (needs a new electronic lock)
Steering wheel colored leather worn/ugly (paracord wrap it or replace it)
Cruise Control INOP (check vacuum line or it could be a dead vacuum pump or ECU)
Sunroof Leak (broken drain, clogged drain, or bad seals)
Saggy Headliner (in the UK 80F is there normal summer temps so in the US it never stood a chance)
Free Upgrade = All Leather D2 seats are heated! Grab some heated seat switches and you're good to go
Leaky Throttle Body Heater Plate (Bypass or Replace your choice)
A Pillar Cracked/Missing (plastic gets brittle)
Windshield Cowl Cracked/Missing (plastic gets brittle)
Squeaky Blower motor (check for debris)
Worn Leather EBrake & 4WD Selector Boot (remove goo & dye black or replace)
CD Changer INOP (take apart & lube if it says magazine missing or won't load CD's or replace)
Foggy 03-04 Headlights (clean & if that doesn't work take em apart & re-seal)
Cracked/Broken Front Rear/Bumpers = (brittle plastic replace with metal bumpers)
03-04 Rear Tail Lamps full of water (drill small hole in bottom to allow water to drain) not as good quality tail light as 99-02 IMHO
Rear Cargo Door leaks (move strike inward some)
Lug Nuts missing caps or hard to put socket on (Buy one piece solid metal lug nuts)
SE7 Step sagging (replace strut or remove step)
Cargo Door license plate lights inop (replace with LED)
3rd brake light inop (breaks easy due to slamming cargo door, replace with LED)
Hard Coolant lines brittle (replace with 5/16 coolant hose)
Replace front drive shaft regardless of it's condition as piece of mind (you'll thank me later)
Replace thermostat to 180F unit (if not already done)
Destroyed D2 Key/Remote/Fob (10.00 from China & you're good to go if shorting the pins still locks/unlocks the doors)
That's just a few common things to be prepared for with a D2.
When I first got back into LR's with my 98 LSE D1 it took me maybe a month to sort all it's interior trim out, and a few maintenance items. As I got back into the swing of LR's the D2's I bought went to a maybe two weeks, and recently with my 04 D2 I had it pretty well looking new inside/out in 2 days thanks to a small collection of spare parts, but mainly the knowledge of every single thing above and all the other small things that are normally falling apart, but can be repaired very easy for next to nothing.
The 04 had the bottom of the seat cushions popping off the rail the plastic piece is supposed to clip to... I got tired of it popping off and using 6 small self tapping screws I secured the plastic pieces on both front seat bottoms (both were still sewn into the leather/vinyl perfectly) to the metal rail and bingo like new! It's the small details like that which can make an old D2 look new again.
I laugh my butt off when I see those 12-16K D2's on Ebay from Houston, TX. They act like they fully restore them, but I spot so many flaws in those pictures. They're just 3-6K D2's with cheap tires slapped on them, lots of tire shine, a cheap shovel, axe, roof rack, LED lights, and gas cans, but it's to take your attention off the small details they didn't fix or haven't touched.
If anyone selling a vehicle tells you all it needs is a tune up or a spark plug = they're lying their butts off. If it was that easy and cheap why didn't they fix it?? Because that's not what is wrong with it!
Last edited by Best4x4; Nov 10, 2017 at 10:22 PM.
Mudding
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The "just needs a simple tune up" is one of the most comical lines in all used car ads, as is "mechanic told me its a simple fix" both lines are basically crap, a car could have an engine that caught fire and someone would say "simple fix"
Recovery Vehicle
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How about a $500 99 Dii? New transfer case and a few odds and ends and I'll have it on the road. I definitely wouldn't pay $3600 unless like the others have said there was major work done to it and it didn't leak.
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