'06 LR LR3 issue
#11
My God I thought I was the only one!! Serrrriiiooouuusssllyyy. WTH.
Also, I totally understand what you mean about the soul of these things being in the EAS. They weight 6000 lbs and handle like a sports sedan for the most part. Plus as a platform, they were built around the capabilities of extreme payloads and tow capacities while maintaining great street manners unloaded with daily driving. ALL of those things are impossible with traditional coil spring suspension - there will always be a compromise somewhere.
For me, hopping into a vehicle that I know offers me UNcompromising performance in all of those areas is what makes me feel like I'm in something really special every time I turn the key.
PS the customer is always right if you work at Best Buy - but we work at shops because we know stuff owners have zero clue about, I feel like it would be my job to explain the pivotal role the EAS plays in the overall performance and capability of the customer's vehicle. I would never suggest it - I wouldn't even mention it as an option. As a shop, your labor is about the same anyways.
Also, I totally understand what you mean about the soul of these things being in the EAS. They weight 6000 lbs and handle like a sports sedan for the most part. Plus as a platform, they were built around the capabilities of extreme payloads and tow capacities while maintaining great street manners unloaded with daily driving. ALL of those things are impossible with traditional coil spring suspension - there will always be a compromise somewhere.
For me, hopping into a vehicle that I know offers me UNcompromising performance in all of those areas is what makes me feel like I'm in something really special every time I turn the key.
PS the customer is always right if you work at Best Buy - but we work at shops because we know stuff owners have zero clue about, I feel like it would be my job to explain the pivotal role the EAS plays in the overall performance and capability of the customer's vehicle. I would never suggest it - I wouldn't even mention it as an option. As a shop, your labor is about the same anyways.
Seriously, I like my LR3 and all but even when it was stock it handled like....well, like a giant caddy or something. Very heavy, very soft, very floaty. This isn't a criticism so much as the way it's designed to be. People like that disconnected feel as to many that = luxury. Despite the fact that even sports sedans today are mostly overweight pigs (crikey, my 335 was 4000lbs!), there's simply no making a tall 4wd SUV handle like a sports sedan. Physics!
Not an attack - just feeling a bit cheeky tonight.
#12
Yeah I have to agree. My other car is a sports sedan (Infiniti Q50S) and the only thing in common in terms of handling is the tendency to tramline. The LR3 does float on the road and that is a disconnect, but I'm happy with its ability to connect you to terrain. I can feel the rocks and roots passing under me at times.
#14
You must have a very different idea about what a sports sedan should handle like.
Seriously, I like my LR3 and all but even when it was stock it handled like....well, like a giant caddy or something. Very heavy, very soft, very floaty. This isn't a criticism so much as the way it's designed to be. People like that disconnected feel as to many that = luxury. Despite the fact that even sports sedans today are mostly overweight pigs (crikey, my 335 was 4000lbs!), there's simply no making a tall 4wd SUV handle like a sports sedan. Physics!
Not an attack - just feeling a bit cheeky tonight.
Seriously, I like my LR3 and all but even when it was stock it handled like....well, like a giant caddy or something. Very heavy, very soft, very floaty. This isn't a criticism so much as the way it's designed to be. People like that disconnected feel as to many that = luxury. Despite the fact that even sports sedans today are mostly overweight pigs (crikey, my 335 was 4000lbs!), there's simply no making a tall 4wd SUV handle like a sports sedan. Physics!
Not an attack - just feeling a bit cheeky tonight.
Okay I should have rephrased that, but for what it is - I think it defies physics to a certain extent. Many of the professional reviews and tests feel similar, considering the capabilities and strength of the platform, I think it handles well.
FWIW I think the sport handled much better but I also had it at stock height, on 22's w/ 35 series tires, and they're about 600lbs lighter I think.
I used to have an M3 a while back, so I've got a good idea of what handling perfection is "supposed" to be like. Now I just drive around tanks.. lesigh.
#15
And you must not drive very many AMERICAN SUV's lol!
Okay I should have rephrased that, but for what it is - I think it defies physics to a certain extent. Many of the professional reviews and tests feel similar, considering the capabilities and strength of the platform, I think it handles well.
FWIW I think the sport handled much better but I also had it at stock height, on 22's w/ 35 series tires, and they're about 600lbs lighter I think.
I used to have an M3 a while back, so I've got a good idea of what handling perfection is "supposed" to be like. Now I just drive around tanks.. lesigh.
Okay I should have rephrased that, but for what it is - I think it defies physics to a certain extent. Many of the professional reviews and tests feel similar, considering the capabilities and strength of the platform, I think it handles well.
FWIW I think the sport handled much better but I also had it at stock height, on 22's w/ 35 series tires, and they're about 600lbs lighter I think.
I used to have an M3 a while back, so I've got a good idea of what handling perfection is "supposed" to be like. Now I just drive around tanks.. lesigh.
Have I PO'ed enough people yet?
Want a daily driver? Get a car.
Want to haul a bunch of kiddies around? Get a minivan.
Want a combination? Get a wagon - yes Virginia, you can have space AND handling AND economy AND safety....and it's available from the likes of Audi, BMW, and Mercedes!
Want to haul or tow? Get a truck...make it a 4-door if you need to carry people too.
Want an off-road rig? Now you can look at an SUV
Like I said, I really don't like the SUV (or now CUV or whatever) craze as the whole concept is flawed from the start. It goes like this: your grandparents used a station wagon to haul kids so your parents had to be different and created the minivan so you had be different and created the family hauler SUV. But Granddad had it right the first time. (Granddad might have had an SUV too, but it would have been a Series or a Wagoneer...See? Granddad was a pretty smart guy!)
I might be biased though - I will always choose smaller/lighter/better handling when the choice is there. This from an ex road racer (lots of Alfas in my past)
All that said, my current stable looks like this:
'97 Disco 1
'88 RRC
'95 RRC
'07 LR3
'13 Nissan NV200 (my daily driver/work van - awful to drive but it's a small steel box on wheels)
'14 Chevy Traverse (wifes company fleet car - worthless, basically a poorly executed minivan)
My last car was an '08 BMW 335. Sadly, I have no time/money/space for a car right now. Though there are also bikes (Triumph) and boats (Donzi, Carver) in the stable.
Where's my ladder? I want to come down off this soap box now.
Last edited by Zelatore; 04-07-2016 at 10:05 PM.
#16
Don, I agree with you on many points; however, I think the SUV/CUV is the new minivan and I have to say that they're better. Minivans are just so awful.
That said, the LR3 is NOT an SUV and I'd never call it that. It's a 4x4. It's a Rover. The X5 is an SUV. A Ford Escape is an SUV. A Tahoe is an SUV.
Also agree that while the LR3 handles superbly for what it is, I'd much rather drive my Infiniti Q50 on the road. Let's not get all carried away calling its handling sports car'esque.
That said, the LR3 is NOT an SUV and I'd never call it that. It's a 4x4. It's a Rover. The X5 is an SUV. A Ford Escape is an SUV. A Tahoe is an SUV.
Also agree that while the LR3 handles superbly for what it is, I'd much rather drive my Infiniti Q50 on the road. Let's not get all carried away calling its handling sports car'esque.
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