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Old Oct 10, 2024 | 09:22 AM
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I had EGR issues years ago that turned out to be fuel quality. Took my LR3 to a certified Indy shop that was also certified for Bentley, Aston, Ferrari (and STILL cheaper than the dealer LOL!). After smoke tests and a new EGR didn't fix, they tested the fuel in the tank and found it was 20% ethanol. Legal limit is 10% in the US and 90% of the time I filled up at a privately owned station nearby with Shell branded fuel. The shop dumped the fuel and refilled with ethanol free and my issues went away. I suspected the private owners of that station were diluting their gas, but who knows.

Now I use a can of BG 44k at least once a year and I fill up on ethanol free fuel every time I see it. Haven't had any fuel related issues since!
 
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Old Oct 10, 2024 | 09:28 AM
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I'll give it a try. Thank you!
 
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Old Oct 11, 2024 | 04:38 AM
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FWIW, here in Europe I use (and have used) 98E5 sometimes but mostly fill up with 95E10. The latter is 95 RON equivalent with max 10% ethanol content. This should be roughly 91 MON in USA.

I also put a can of BG 44K just before every oil change (so approx 10k km).

The 20% sounds slightly shady……
 
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Old Oct 11, 2024 | 09:56 AM
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Odd. They must have filled the tanks at the station in correctly. There is 20% available in the US and of course even E80/85.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2024 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DakotaTravler
Nope, not necessarily. Just like crude oil. Example, the Alaskan pipeline is use by several oil producers. Let's say they add 10,000 gallons to the pipeline, they can then take out 10,000 on the other end why the physical oil takes 18 or so days to travel it. And the same happens with refinery products. While it is usually the most economical to use ones oil at the corporate stations, it just does not happen that way. Oil prices fluctuate and so does storage. So even the corporate gas stations end up with a product that could have been refined anywhere because the price could have been cheaper than what they produced that day - they saw a sale on stored gasoline and went for it. Now go back 30 years or more and the distribution was not mixed as much but also then gasoline was of lesser quality and there was a lot of poorly refined garbage out there. But today all gasoline is well refined and part of that is because of the buying and selling on the market but really it is just advances in tech and the demands of modern engines. And like I said, it it well known that where I live all the gasoline is sold from one source, we have a depot. And the BP, Shell, Citco, Amoco, Kwik Trip all get the gasoline from the same depot. You can drive right to it and see all the mixed brand named trucks lined up to be filled.
So you are saying that Chevron who advertizes their fuel contains Techron is actually pumping someone else's gas at their station? I don't believe it. That would be false advertising and also bad for Chevron's reputation. Same story goes for Shell and Exxon.

it could be that there are separate storage tanks for 3 grades of gas, all made to acceptable specs for everyone and the truck driver doses the tank with an additive package but there is no way Chevron is selling you Shell's gas.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2024 | 04:29 PM
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Well believe what YOU want, but the reality is not what you believe.
 
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