You're right, the stock lockers on the LR3 are way better than the stock lockers on the D2.

Your IID tool will not fix your broken height sensor and your truck will go into freakout mode and shut down. Ask Justin. He rode around in my D2 last weekend because of it.
Your IID tool will not fix a blown air compressor either.

I've actually seen quite a few meltdowns, but then again its my job to off-road (perks)

What do you do for a ruptured shock? Carry 4 spares?

You took that way out of context and you know it. My point was that there are far more things to go haywire on an LR3 and leave you stranded than on a D2. And don't bring up head gaskets, because I've seen LR3s that needed them as well.

"In working Order" are the key words here. Like I said above, its not about going into it working, its about coming out of it working.


I completely disagree that it "off-roads circles around a D2" because it simply doesn't. I've had more than ample seat time in both.

The D2 has way more going for it in terms of modifications as well. The LR3 is on it's way, but isn't near it yet.

If you want to play in the dirt, the LR3 is fine.

If you want to wheel seriously, the LR3 doesn't beat the D2.

 

Oh, hi Erik, once again, tell Justin I said HI, call me.

 

Okay, I've re-examined your original statement, and you never actually said that the D2 was more capable than the LR3, which is all I'm asserting. ...and when I assert that, I mean stock-to-stock because to me, that is the only true measure of "this vehicle vs. that vehicle." Once you slap an Old Man EMU lift on a D2, it's not a D2 anymore, really. That said, let me address your quotes. Your statements will be in italics:


"Your IID tool will not fix your broken height sensor and your truck will go into freakout mode and shut down. Ask Justin. He rode around in my D2 last weekend because of it.
Your IID tool will not fix a blown air compressor either. "

No, the IIDTool, cannot fix a broken height sensor but I carry 4 spares and a torx wrench...and the IIDTool CAN re-calibrate one. I carry a wire overlay too. Cheap parts, easy access and replacement. Oh...and the compressor is fairly reliable; haven't seen any just "blow."


"I've actually seen quite a few meltdowns, but then again its my job to off-road (perks) What do you do for a ruptured shock? Carry 4 spares? "


I suppose it’s possible that you have seen more LR3s off-road than I have since it’s your job to off-road (how do I get that gig?) but as for me, I’ve done my share and seen it ONCE; and that was only because the owner/operator is a complete cowboy who doesn’t maintain his vehicle. As for the ruptured shock: First of all it’s very detectable when the shock is worn and causes the upper control arm to smack the canister. It’s also very easy to check that sort of thing BEFORE you hit the trail. So, no sir, I do not carry 4 spares, instead I know my vehicle and am sure that it’s trail-worthy before I hit the trail. The shocks don’t simply rupture; they wear out first. Now, if a branch goes through one and ruptures it….that’s just bad luck.
I had a shock wear out last year; on a trail. I used my IIDTool to get the EAS back up, pulled the appropriate fuses, and tip-toed out of the forest.
"You took that way out of context and you know it. My point was that there are far more things to go haywire on an LR3 and leave you stranded than on a D2. And don't bring up head gaskets, because I've seen LR3s that needed them as well."
I can agree that there are more things to “go haywire” on an LR3 than a D2, but there are more common mechanical issues on the D2. I would contend that the “new toolbox” for the LR3 has to have a computer-interface tool whereas that for the D2 would have a series of spanners and a hammer. I took it out of context and generalized it only to point out the nature of your comment. Comparing a healthy vehicle to a sick vehicle is simply unfair.

""In working Order" are the key words here. Like I said above, its not about going into it working, its about coming out of it working. "

This past March I drove from Whitehorse, Yukon to Seattle, WA. 1600 miles; in all kinds of conditions, including -17F each night; ice/snow/slush on the roadway. No incident. I refute the notion that the LR3 is not dependable. It requires a different approach to maintenance…but if done correctly, it won’t leave you stranded; in the forest or on the highway.


"I completely disagree that it "off-roads circles around a D2" because it simply doesn't. I've had more than ample seat time in both. "

Disagree all you want. It beats it in ever tangible category. The D2 is great, don’t get me wrong…the LR3 is simply better.


"The D2 has way more going for it in terms of modifications as well. The LR3 is on it's way, but isn't near it yet. "

Sure…I can grant you this.

"If you want to play in the dirt, the LR3 is fine.

If you want to wheel seriously, the LR3 doesn't beat the D2.[/QUOTE]"

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Stock-to-stock the LR3 beats the D2 no matter the terrain. If you imply that serious wheelin’ means you have to mod your rig in order to handle bigger obstacles, then I counter with my original point that a modified D2 is NOT a D2 (anymore).
QED

 

Its that same thing as you flipping your raised suspension switch, isn't it?


I agree, they do not just blow out, but they are temperamental on the way out.
So someone has to carry $360 worth of trail spares? That's like 2 spare D2 diffs AND new sets of axles!!

You can come work at Lucky 8. As for the operator, you cant fix stupid.
I agree there are more common issues on a D2, but give it time and I'm sure the LR3 list will continue to grow just as the D2's did.


I daily drive my LR3 70 miles round trip, and half the year is through a Buffalo Winter. Ive got the 2.5" rods and 33s on it and I agree, its a beast on the highway. It also tows my D2s real nicely!


Justin and I both disagree on this too. I still stand by my statement that a D2 is more reliable and fixable in the woods than an LR3.



It most certainly does not. If you were at the Winter Romp in Maine this past year you would not have made that statement.

 

No, not at all. The EAS and all its functionality is part of the original LR3 design.


I never said that wheelin' the LR3 was inexpensive!

It would be fun to work at Lucky 8, but I'm pretty well rooted in the Pacific NW and have a pretty decent gig designing airplanes. LR3 has been around for almost 10 years. I think its common "defects" have been exposed, and they really aren't many. At this point we're going to start getting into things that fail over time and those really aren't "defects" or "problems" per se. Can't fix stupid....love that, you're so right.


I don't know you or Justin, so your opinion alone is not going to convince me, nor should mine mean anything. Data matters. My statement is that the LR3, stock beats the Disco 2, stock...in terms of "measurables." That is something that is EASY to prove, regardless of what you, I or Justin think.

Ground Clearance: LR3: 11.7" (Extended Height), D2: 8.27"
Wheel travel: LR3: 10 up front & 13 rear; D2:8.5 up front & 9" in rear
Crawl Ratio: LR3: 45.6 ; D2: 26.4
Rear Locker: LR3 yes, D2 no
Horsepower/Torque: <not gonna bother on this one>
Angles: Approach, LR3: 37.2; D2: 31
Departure, LR3: 29.6; D2: 25
Breakover, LR3: 27.9; D2: 27

Ha! Maybe if I were at the Winter Romp it is YOU who would make a different statement. We can't leave the ol' right foot out of the equation. ...and mine is pretty talented.

Jest aside, how various vehicles being driven by a multitude of drivers at one event does not provide conclusive results. You'd have to have a very controlled test and use the same UNBIASED driver; and that is neither you nor I.

 

Such passion.
And I just thought Lr3 was the female version of a discovery

 

Dusty, my trans-gendered friend; your auto-signature appears to be spot-on.

 

Lol! "Transgendered"..... Oh, you're just trying to talk me into one of those lr3 aren't you

 

...now why would I do that? What I really want is for all you D2-lovers to man up and try to poke a hole in my argument. I put the numbers up there, for all to see. Where did Erik go? ....do you want to proxy for him, Dusty?

Only way a D2 becomes more capable off-road than an LR3 is to lift the hell out of it and slap 35s on it. Oh, and you'll probably need to re-gear it and add a locker. ...and by then your Frankenrover is no longer a Discovery. So, what say you, Dusty? No more jokes...I'm trying to have a serious message board pissing match here!

 

Sorry not much of a candidate to argue on the better truck. I've been in a ton of LR 3s. They are a very smooth and comfortable ride on the road. I have seen them perform off-road on a few occasions. I They do wonderfully, for what they are and in their stock form. I would want them to perform much better, just as I did with my D2. Not sure how far you can go with the upgrades on LR 3, but I would most definitely have to find out if I had one.

I do not complain about my on road experience in my D2. However, it is nowhere near the smooth ride of the LR3. Just as I complained about the off-road capabilities of the LR three I also had them with my D2. I am able to do a couple of small upgrades to my vehicle to make it perform the way that I want it to. One big bonus for me is that I prefer the solid axle, pretty sure that's not a viable option as an upgrade and LR3.
I like both of the vehicles. I drive the one that I want to. I even prefer the looks of the discovery over the LR3. But that is obviously a personal preference.
The comparison for me would have nothing to do with the vehicle in stock form. It would be the end result of the vehicle with successful implementation of available upgrades.
So again, I am not a good candidate to argue which is a better truck from the factory.

But if were having a pissing match......... At least mine can hike its leg.
Hehehe