Newbie Considering a 2004 LR with Questions
Camel Trophy
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: North of Seattle
Dusty, you at least make some fair points and a somewhat consistent and cohesive argument. I will say this...we've been talking about stock-to-stock thus far. I think that if you saw my particular LR3 you would not mistake it for anything feminine. It would "lift its leg" and **** down the air intake of your D2.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
Three Wheeling
Joined: Sep 2013
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From: Laguna Niguel, California
I have owned both and I think both the Discovery II and LR3 are excellent vehicles with different strengths and weaknesses. I had a love/hate relationship with the technology on my DII just as I do on my LR3.
For me, the LR3 is a better vehicle. I am not saying that it is the right vehicle for you (whoever you are out there, reading this) because I don't know what your priorities are. People have different needs and limitations so there is no one "right" answer when it comes to vehicles or even technology in general. The correct choice is whatever works best for the person using it as determined by them.
Our DII opened a new world of adventure and exploration for us and our LR3 continues that tradition. Whichever you have, get out there and have fun with it!
-Rob
For me, the LR3 is a better vehicle. I am not saying that it is the right vehicle for you (whoever you are out there, reading this) because I don't know what your priorities are. People have different needs and limitations so there is no one "right" answer when it comes to vehicles or even technology in general. The correct choice is whatever works best for the person using it as determined by them.
Our DII opened a new world of adventure and exploration for us and our LR3 continues that tradition. Whichever you have, get out there and have fun with it!
-Rob
Dusty, you at least make some fair points and a somewhat consistent and cohesive argument. I will say this...we've been talking about stock-to-stock thus far. I think that if you saw my particular LR3 you would not mistake it for anything feminine. It would "lift its leg" and **** down the air intake of your D2.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
I guess Erik just wanted to stir things up.
Camel Trophy
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: North of Seattle
Thanks Dusty.
I'd like to think that I made my point pretty strongly. I really do love both vehicles. I've been tempted to get an '04 D2 as a second wheelin' rig, but having only a 2-car garage would mean either the Disco goes in the driveway or the Infiniti Q50S does; and neither of those outcomes are acceptable.
I'd like to think that I made my point pretty strongly. I really do love both vehicles. I've been tempted to get an '04 D2 as a second wheelin' rig, but having only a 2-car garage would mean either the Disco goes in the driveway or the Infiniti Q50S does; and neither of those outcomes are acceptable.
...now why would I do that? What I really want is for all you D2-lovers to man up and try to poke a hole in my argument. I put the numbers up there, for all to see. Where did Erik go? ....do you want to proxy for him, Dusty?
Only way a D2 becomes more capable off-road than an LR3 is to lift the hell out of it and slap 35s on it. Oh, and you'll probably need to re-gear it and add a locker. ...and by then your Frankenrover is no longer a Discovery. So, what say you, Dusty? No more jokes...I'm trying to have a serious message board pissing match here!
Only way a D2 becomes more capable off-road than an LR3 is to lift the hell out of it and slap 35s on it. Oh, and you'll probably need to re-gear it and add a locker. ...and by then your Frankenrover is no longer a Discovery. So, what say you, Dusty? No more jokes...I'm trying to have a serious message board pissing match here!
I didn't go anywhere, just a busy man.
What modifications do you have done to your LR3?
Dusty, you at least make some fair points and a somewhat consistent and cohesive argument. I will say this...we've been talking about stock-to-stock thus far. I think that if you saw my particular LR3 you would not mistake it for anything feminine. It would "lift its leg" and **** down the air intake of your D2.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
Now that I've gotten that bravado out of the way, I think that solid axles are 2nd best. IFS sucks, I'm sure we can agree on that. Full Indi is not much better. Solid axles offer great articulation, durability and fewer moving parts (thus simpler)....but the EAS fully independent suspension is really the best. You get great articulation (see above, my suspension beats yours) AND...you get massive amounts of ground clearance since the diffs are tucked up inside the belly of the vehicle. I have about 13" of ground clearance, Dusty.
Now, I don't know how you are set up. You could have one of these Discos that are completely unrecognizeable. My LR3 is basically stock but with armor and tires. I sit on 32" MT/Rs. So even those Discos with the 2" EMU lifts and 32" BFGs pee down there leg when they see me coming.
If you have your fenders all cut up and 35" Super Swamper TSLs under your rig....great. But that's not a Disco, and I could do the same thing to the LR3 given enough money and the will to **** it up like that.
Pics show ample ground clearance (snow pic) and nice articulation for a non-solid axle rig.
You have 32" MTRs and armor, so you are able to drive with more abandon than you would with your stock truck argument.
Im running a 4" lift with 33's, sway bar disconnects and stock gearing. Ill go against your LR3 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Camel Trophy
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: North of Seattle
Yes my front tire is dangling over a large hole at the top of a steep hill; photo may not show it clearly. The articulation in the rear is what I mean; mostly to show that the EAS with the cross-link valving really does work as-advertised. Look how with one tire stuffed the other one gets forced down (clearly shown in the photo) like a solid axle would.
You have 33s on what? Your auto-sig says you have the lift and 33s on your LR3, so I'm not sure why you'd "go against me" with that; it wouldn't prove your argument for the D2. Also, for which vehicle do you have a swaybar disconnect? I hope you mean the D2 because disabling the swaybar on an LR3 does nothing to increase wheel travel.
I have no real "modifications" on my LR3 other than putting on real tires and adding better skid plates and RS Sliders. I use the IIDTool to get a few extra inches from the EAS; that's it. Since this capability is within the stock EAS capacity, I still consider my vehicle "stock" but could understand an argument to the contrary. I could agree to call it "Quasi-Stock" or something. There are no mechanical changes to the vehicle, that's my only contention.
You have 33s on what? Your auto-sig says you have the lift and 33s on your LR3, so I'm not sure why you'd "go against me" with that; it wouldn't prove your argument for the D2. Also, for which vehicle do you have a swaybar disconnect? I hope you mean the D2 because disabling the swaybar on an LR3 does nothing to increase wheel travel.
I have no real "modifications" on my LR3 other than putting on real tires and adding better skid plates and RS Sliders. I use the IIDTool to get a few extra inches from the EAS; that's it. Since this capability is within the stock EAS capacity, I still consider my vehicle "stock" but could understand an argument to the contrary. I could agree to call it "Quasi-Stock" or something. There are no mechanical changes to the vehicle, that's my only contention.
Last edited by houm_wa; Jun 27, 2014 at 03:37 PM.
Yes my front tire is dangling over a large hole at the top of a steep hill; photo may not show it clearly. The articulation in the rear is what I mean; mostly to show that the EAS with the cross-link valving really does work as-advertised. Look how with one tire stuffed the other one gets forced down (clearly shown in the photo) like a solid axle would.
You have 33s on what? Your auto-sig says you have the lift and 33s on your LR3, so I'm not sure why you'd "go against me" with that; it wouldn't prove your argument for the D2. Also, for which vehicle do you have a swaybar disconnect? I hope you mean the D2 because disabling the swaybar on an LR3 does nothing to increase wheel travel.
I have on real "modifications" on my LR3 other than putting on real tires and adding better skid plates and RS Sliders. I use the IIDTool to get a few extra inches from the EAS; that's it. Since this capability is within the stock EAS capacity, I still consider my vehicle "stock" but could understand an argument to the contrary. I could agree to call it "Quasi-Stock" or something. There are no mechanical changes to the vehicle, that's my only contention.
You have 33s on what? Your auto-sig says you have the lift and 33s on your LR3, so I'm not sure why you'd "go against me" with that; it wouldn't prove your argument for the D2. Also, for which vehicle do you have a swaybar disconnect? I hope you mean the D2 because disabling the swaybar on an LR3 does nothing to increase wheel travel.
I have on real "modifications" on my LR3 other than putting on real tires and adding better skid plates and RS Sliders. I use the IIDTool to get a few extra inches from the EAS; that's it. Since this capability is within the stock EAS capacity, I still consider my vehicle "stock" but could understand an argument to the contrary. I could agree to call it "Quasi-Stock" or something. There are no mechanical changes to the vehicle, that's my only contention.
My LR3 is lifted with 33's and 2 of my D2's are lifted one 3" one 4" with 33's. The MonteCarlo Blue is stock. Disconnects are on the 4" D2, part of our 4" Lift kit from L8 that I've been prototype testing.
Once you put M/Ts on a truck, it is no longer stock IMHO.