Hummer badass
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nor can you read - your opinion is bunk - I compared the H3 to the Land Rover; not the H1. But if you want to go there, at 10k lbs, H1s find the bottom quite quickly; the diesels are adequate at best (and this coming from someone who owns and drives a 6.2 diesel powered truck). H1s are great if you have the space to run them; but I've yet to run a trail where the H1 would even begin to fit.
They also have a transmission tunnel that takes up most of the truck - for passenger capacity, the H3 and the H2 carry more people than the H1, they also tow more.
Now, let's go to the Land Rover.
1) they have a motor designed in the 50s that, despite 40 years of trying, still leak, blow head gaskets, and are underpowered compared to anything else (even the 3.8 V6).
2) they use a suspension that was last updated on covered wagons - and does an awesome job of following every rut in the road
3) their interior fit and finish is terrible
4) they leak water through the sun roofs
5) three amigos
6) the electronics are designed by people who don't believe in electricity
7) last I heard, the LR and RR were the Tata available.
As for GM no longer building Hummers, you're right, but have you seen the new Colorado? as you point out, the suspension shares parts; but as you know nothing about Colorados or Hummers, perhaps you should do a bit of research before you open your trap? They don't share many parts - which is kind of annoying at finding parts (e.g. headers, cast iron front diffs, all of the front suspension, even the rear locker was barely put in the Colorado before they stopped)- fortunately, it's still a GM product and there are plenty of companies out there that make replacements or upgrades.
Now, let's look at the LR to an H3
the H3 has locking differentials (electronic) AND traction control the LR - not so much
it has 4:1 transfer case - LR still hasn't decided it is willing to let its drivers decide whether or not the transfer case should be locked
the H3 has more power
the H3 has bigger tires and IFS
the H3 weighs marginally more, but it also tows twice as much
and it doesn't have lucas electronics or bosch the later which redefine expensive spares.
I own both - you?
They also have a transmission tunnel that takes up most of the truck - for passenger capacity, the H3 and the H2 carry more people than the H1, they also tow more.
Now, let's go to the Land Rover.
1) they have a motor designed in the 50s that, despite 40 years of trying, still leak, blow head gaskets, and are underpowered compared to anything else (even the 3.8 V6).
2) they use a suspension that was last updated on covered wagons - and does an awesome job of following every rut in the road
3) their interior fit and finish is terrible
4) they leak water through the sun roofs
5) three amigos
6) the electronics are designed by people who don't believe in electricity
7) last I heard, the LR and RR were the Tata available.
As for GM no longer building Hummers, you're right, but have you seen the new Colorado? as you point out, the suspension shares parts; but as you know nothing about Colorados or Hummers, perhaps you should do a bit of research before you open your trap? They don't share many parts - which is kind of annoying at finding parts (e.g. headers, cast iron front diffs, all of the front suspension, even the rear locker was barely put in the Colorado before they stopped)- fortunately, it's still a GM product and there are plenty of companies out there that make replacements or upgrades.
Now, let's look at the LR to an H3
the H3 has locking differentials (electronic) AND traction control the LR - not so much
it has 4:1 transfer case - LR still hasn't decided it is willing to let its drivers decide whether or not the transfer case should be locked
the H3 has more power
the H3 has bigger tires and IFS
the H3 weighs marginally more, but it also tows twice as much
and it doesn't have lucas electronics or bosch the later which redefine expensive spares.
I own both - you?
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I'm just laying out the facts about your little Colorado bud, not need to take it to personal. Its just a pickup truck with a wannabe hummer shell bolted on the top
Apparently you really are not familiar with the history of Land Rover either. Your remark about the suspension gave it away. LR started out with leaf springs (like everybody else) but then they realized the benifiets of coil springs (before most everybody else caught on, you know?) and switched over. Than when the first Range Rovers were shipped to the US markets, people saw air suspension on a SUV for the first time (again way ahead of the game). Center differential locker was available on the first Discovery 1 models in the early 90's and electronic traction control, stability control, cornering enhancement system and 4 wheel independent suspension were all seen on Rovers through the early 2000's. Today modern Rovers use the advanced Terrain Response system combined with a dual chassis, 4 wheel independent air suspension, traction control, diff locks to offer excellent off-road and on road capability. They also offer all the comfy creature comforts, plenty of storage space, room for 7 passengers, and misc other goodies ideal for making family comfortable on any journey. So your statement "
- they use a suspension that was last updated on covered wagons - and does an awesome job of following every rut in the road
- the H3 has locking differentials (electronic) AND traction control the LR - not so much" not so much bud. and again Hummer "had" all those wonderful features. That horrible engine you speak of is an American Buick POS if you want to call it anything and had the Brits used their own design the Disco 1 and 2 models would have been much better off. But hey your right, LR has been purchased by a handful of companies includingFord who decided it would be a good idea to continue using the POS Buick engine and also decided to install a non serviceable front prop-shaft..... way to go America! You did good. If your not a Ford guy than dont bother buying a newer Rover either cause some carry the Ford Explorer engine......
I think your silly and I think H3 sucks! Again Id take one on any day in my D2. If you want to brag about Hummer than do yourself a favor and sell the Colorado and get yourself "A Real Hummer - The Only Hummer". Than you can brag about all the awesome military grade features and innovations it has ad how much better your truck is than a Land Rover.
PS: I wonder which vehicle would rust out first: A jeep or a Colorado?
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"the H3 weighs marginally more, but it also tows twice as much"...........
Lets talk about towing. Since you did not specify which year and model Land Rover, I will compare the towing capacity between a 2004 Land Rover Discovery 2 (with a 50 year old engine) to a 2010 H3 Alpha (Lets assume thats the one you actually bought, because it has the best of the best).
2004 Land Rover Discovery: 5,500lbs - 7,700lbs (not bad for a 50 year old engine and lose suspension ah?)
2010 H3 Alpha V8: 6,000lbs
AN interesting thread from a Hummer forum
Why is the rated towing capacity of the H2 so low?
I used Edmunds to looks up the specs for the above compared vehicles. Read for yourself than kindly elaborate on the term "marginal".
2010 HUMMER H3 Alpha 4dr SUV 5.3L V8 FFV 4x4 4-speed Automatic Features and Specs
http://www.edmunds.com/land-rover/di...res-specs.html
Lets talk about towing. Since you did not specify which year and model Land Rover, I will compare the towing capacity between a 2004 Land Rover Discovery 2 (with a 50 year old engine) to a 2010 H3 Alpha (Lets assume thats the one you actually bought, because it has the best of the best).
2004 Land Rover Discovery: 5,500lbs - 7,700lbs (not bad for a 50 year old engine and lose suspension ah?)
2010 H3 Alpha V8: 6,000lbs
AN interesting thread from a Hummer forum
Why is the rated towing capacity of the H2 so low?
I used Edmunds to looks up the specs for the above compared vehicles. Read for yourself than kindly elaborate on the term "marginal".
2010 HUMMER H3 Alpha 4dr SUV 5.3L V8 FFV 4x4 4-speed Automatic Features and Specs
http://www.edmunds.com/land-rover/di...res-specs.html
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Drifting
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so let me get this straight, you googled - you have no real-world experience. In an effort to bootstrap you to the point where you think for yourself; I'll leave you with this:
the media doesn't tell the whole truth - most times, you couldn't find a shred of truth, just editorial.
just like what you're doing
as you seem to care what I think - here, let me tell you what I think of you - I think you're a fanboy who wouldn't know truth if it bit him. Furthermore, people who talk without knowledge are, to me, useless.
but I know you'll carry on with more words... so carry on fanboy.
the media doesn't tell the whole truth - most times, you couldn't find a shred of truth, just editorial.
just like what you're doing
as you seem to care what I think - here, let me tell you what I think of you - I think you're a fanboy who wouldn't know truth if it bit him. Furthermore, people who talk without knowledge are, to me, useless.
but I know you'll carry on with more words... so carry on fanboy.
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I have yet to see any factual information in your statements, mostly just your bias opinions and held back info. You clearly lied and exaggerated on the towing capacity of your H3 and you also under-estimated the towing capacity of your Land Rover Discovery 2, so at this point I really dont think you are very intelligent. But back to the main point of this thread (because you obviously missed the point) I was putting my Land Rover pride aside to acknowledge a superior Hummer H1. I even included factual (not biased) information about the H1 and why i like it. When you chime about how much better your little H3 is, on a Land Rover forum, be prepared to take it in the ***. I may not own a Hummer but Im aware of the facts (most of them anyways) and Im very skillfull in networking and researching. You should try it sometime because you might actually learn something - like how to improve that horrible suspension on your Rover that you mentioned.
You want to know about my build? I could tell you but Ill let you look it up for yourself. Research it. Read and learn what I have done to my D2. and take note of my future goals for the truck. There is a search feature on this forum and its very useful for people who are searching for specific information.
PS: Nice D2 by the way, man I hope you take care of it though, the way you talk about your little H3 it makes me wonder...... but itf its that bad you are welcome to sell it to someone else (perhaps a fellow member) who will better appreciate what the D2 has to offer. Dont know about anyone else but I love my D2 and I most certainly would not trade it really anything except another D2 with ACE on board
Mudding
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With all due respect to TRIARII and SuperBuickGuy, I've owned and driven a few vehicles myself, and I, too, was a fan of the Hummer. But, my problem when I test drove the Hummers (and, I'm only speaking to the H2s and H3s b/c I've never had the pleasure of driving an H1...yet 
) was that I could not see anything out of their windows! As the driver, I had like zero visibility to the left of the cabin, and couldn't see anything on the passenger side, and forget about anything behind the vehicle. I had no peripheral vision. Those tiny rectangular windows are totally useless! For my test drives, I had to roll down the driver's side window and stick my head all the way out to look behind me to go in reverse and not crash into anyone or anything. To me, a vehicle with such little surround glass and relatively small windows (when compared to the the size of the vehicle) is very difficult to drive in any situation, including daily drive or off-road.
All the vehicles that I own and love to drive (Saab, Firebird, RangeRover, LR2, Discovery) have lots of glass. Part of the fun of driving is being able to see everything everywhere that these amazing machines can take us...not to mention that seeing makes driving alot easier and safer, too. I can fit comfortably in any vehicle, and I can see perfectly. But, not being able to see well, based on the design and construction of the H2 and H3, made me uncomfortable purchasing one. It's just too large and heavy of a vehicle to take that risk. That's just my opinion, but anyone who is considering purchasing a Hummer vs. a Land Rover should take that into consideration during a test drive. Because of all the glass, visibility in Land Rovers is excellent. All you need to do is fill your windshield wash fluid reservoir often and have a Master Tech show you how to properly change your own wiper blades (plus, always keep a spare pair of wiper blades in the cargo area). Then, you'll never have trouble with visibility ever again.
But, during snowstorms, I do see alot of Hummers with plows on the front of them, so maybe that is a benefit of the vehicle's wide width, as compared to the narrower Land Rover? However, I warn everyone to stay clear when they see a Hummer with a snow plow coming because I know that driver can barely see straight ahead and has no peripheral vision.
As I said, just my opinion...
) was that I could not see anything out of their windows! As the driver, I had like zero visibility to the left of the cabin, and couldn't see anything on the passenger side, and forget about anything behind the vehicle. I had no peripheral vision. Those tiny rectangular windows are totally useless! For my test drives, I had to roll down the driver's side window and stick my head all the way out to look behind me to go in reverse and not crash into anyone or anything. To me, a vehicle with such little surround glass and relatively small windows (when compared to the the size of the vehicle) is very difficult to drive in any situation, including daily drive or off-road. All the vehicles that I own and love to drive (Saab, Firebird, RangeRover, LR2, Discovery) have lots of glass. Part of the fun of driving is being able to see everything everywhere that these amazing machines can take us...not to mention that seeing makes driving alot easier and safer, too. I can fit comfortably in any vehicle, and I can see perfectly. But, not being able to see well, based on the design and construction of the H2 and H3, made me uncomfortable purchasing one. It's just too large and heavy of a vehicle to take that risk. That's just my opinion, but anyone who is considering purchasing a Hummer vs. a Land Rover should take that into consideration during a test drive. Because of all the glass, visibility in Land Rovers is excellent. All you need to do is fill your windshield wash fluid reservoir often and have a Master Tech show you how to properly change your own wiper blades (plus, always keep a spare pair of wiper blades in the cargo area). Then, you'll never have trouble with visibility ever again.
But, during snowstorms, I do see alot of Hummers with plows on the front of them, so maybe that is a benefit of the vehicle's wide width, as compared to the narrower Land Rover? However, I warn everyone to stay clear when they see a Hummer with a snow plow coming because I know that driver can barely see straight ahead and has no peripheral vision.
As I said, just my opinion...
Baja
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To make a correction, the new series of RR, RRS and D4 have much upgraded Jaguar engines both in the petrol and diesel ranges.
And when it comes to buying, maintaining and running costs what is the relative cost comparison?
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It's about cost in service and a Hummer doesn't stand a chance against this XM8 / M8 Armored Gun System (AGS) (Close Combat Vehicle - Light) - Light Tank - - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Tanks, Vehicles and Artillery
It's a simple equation, cost, use and necessity.
And when it comes to buying, maintaining and running costs what is the relative cost comparison?
You don't buy one of these 787 Dreamliner Airplane | Boeing Commercial Airplanes when all you need and can afford is one of these Résultats Google Recherche d'images correspondant à http://www.private-jets-for-sale.com/images/maverick_leader/maverick_jets_leader_on_the_ground.png
It's about cost in service and a Hummer doesn't stand a chance against this XM8 / M8 Armored Gun System (AGS) (Close Combat Vehicle - Light) - Light Tank - - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Tanks, Vehicles and Artillery
It's a simple equation, cost, use and necessity.
Okay all of you shut up. You old cooks haha. I have a D1. I've driven H1s and he'll even amtracks (look up amphibious assault vehicle Marine Corps)
My expertise: I'm a f$&king Marine. We drive the crap out of our humvees and fastbacks.
Bottom line: we ALL hate them. They are heavy. Uncomfortable. And they suck to see out of. I'm 5'10 and it is uncomfortable. Blind spots galore too. Oh and on TOP of that my family owns a green H2 which we take to Colorado to snowboard EVERY year. The hummers suck. Yeah we used them for awhile in the military but now they can't leave the wire in a war zone. And you have to have special permission to leave stateside base with them. Yeah it's cool that you can slowly creep towards a wall and the tires will contact the wall before the bumper so you can Spider-Man crawl up a wall but besides that I'd rather have my land rover.
My expertise: I'm a f$&king Marine. We drive the crap out of our humvees and fastbacks.
Bottom line: we ALL hate them. They are heavy. Uncomfortable. And they suck to see out of. I'm 5'10 and it is uncomfortable. Blind spots galore too. Oh and on TOP of that my family owns a green H2 which we take to Colorado to snowboard EVERY year. The hummers suck. Yeah we used them for awhile in the military but now they can't leave the wire in a war zone. And you have to have special permission to leave stateside base with them. Yeah it's cool that you can slowly creep towards a wall and the tires will contact the wall before the bumper so you can Spider-Man crawl up a wall but besides that I'd rather have my land rover.
Oh and we own 33 acres of land in Louisiana. Our tractor was stuck in some mud (not deep mind you but a tire was flat) we used the hummer and went straight towards the tractor and it got stuck halfway there. I took my landy and drove right past the hummer and got the tractor out. Best part? I was on stock sized dry rotted tires.