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Old 11-24-2021, 03:23 PM
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Lots of them all over. Just type in 2016 to 2020 JLR Range Rover Sport hybrid system into Google. This one is typical:

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/201...hybrid-review/

In 2020, I made no judgement on the CURRENT state of JLR's hybrid technology. And I knew it was the role of the RR Sport to figure it out for JLR -- as the Evoque figured out the topics I noted previously.

I suppose if I were an electric car guy, I maybe would have bought the P400 --- but I did not to roll my personal dice on JLR's hybrid techology. Instead, I am continuing to roll it on 4WD capability. Everyone does their part, I suppose.

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Old 11-24-2021, 06:06 PM
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Well, there you go. ok then.

Except maybe if a computer program is moderating the throttle and trying to apply just enough torque at each wheel to make the vehicle move -- without spinning the tires enough to dig four holes.
But that's the point - since they undoubtedly use completely different maps, neither of which are likely to be linear, that simple relationship tells you nothing useful at all.
 
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Old 11-24-2021, 09:06 PM
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I'll weigh in as another data point. I drove P300 and P400s back-to-back several times on separate occasions at the dealer. Each time, I walked away preferring the smooth ride and power delivery of the P300. I certainly understand folks wanting to buy the extra power of the P400 (esp if towing on a regular basis), but I've had zero regrets going with the P300 (except that I couldn't order cooled seats at the time!)

As an aside -- it's curious that Lucky8 decided to go with the P300 for their Trek configs. I'm wondering if that was a pricing decision, or perhaps in-line with the comments that Trio has been making above regarding off-road performance.

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Old 11-24-2021, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RedAustinIX
As an aside -- it's curious that Lucky8 decided to go with the P300 for their Trek configs. I'm wondering if that was a pricing decision, or perhaps in-line with the comments that Trio has been making above regarding off-road performance.
I don’t know that they did it because the 300 was “better” at offroading, but rather because the things the 400 are better at are of zero value for the jobs the Trek competitor Defenders needed to do. So why pay an extra 10k for unneeded road prowess?
 
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Old 11-24-2021, 09:46 PM
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I don’t know that they did it because the 300 was “better” at offroading, but rather because the things the 400 are better at are of zero value for the jobs the Trek competitor Defenders needed to do. So why pay an extra 10k for unneeded road prowess?
Surely it was because the LR Trek off-road competition is limited to P300s.
 
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Old 11-25-2021, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RedAustinIX
I'll weigh in as another data point. I drove P300 and P400s back-to-back several times on separate occasions at the dealer. Each time, I walked away preferring the smooth ride and power delivery of the P300. I certainly understand folks wanting to buy the extra power of the P400 (esp if towing on a regular basis), but I've had zero regrets going with the P300 (except that I couldn't order cooled seats at the time!)

As an aside -- it's curious that Lucky8 decided to go with the P300 for their Trek configs. I'm wondering if that was a pricing decision, or perhaps in-line with the comments that Trio has been making above regarding off-road performance.

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thanks for chiming in ! The cost to add cooled seats is like 6k which is insane on the p300, as it forces 3 other updates.
 
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Personally, I felt that the $10,000 difference between the 4 and 6 cyl outweighed any slight differences in power.
 
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Old 11-25-2021, 02:06 PM
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Personally, I felt that the $10,000 difference between the 4 and 6 cyl outweighed any slight differences in power.
I gotta try out the configurator again cause the last time I did it two of my builds (one a 4 and one a 6) only had a $6k difference and I think that wasn't all engine.


Edit - holy crap it's up to $12k now when I try to build stripped D90's. They must be tying it to trim level and including a bunch of other things.

I'll have to try building what I'd actually want in both configurations.

Damn looks like still a $9k difference when I do that....
 

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Old 11-25-2021, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev M
I gotta try out the configurator again cause the last time I did it two of my builds (one a 4 and one a 6) only had a $6k difference and I think that wasn't all engine.


Edit - holy crap it's up to $12k now when I try to build stripped D90's. They must be tying it to trim level and including a bunch of other things.

I'll have to try building what I'd actually want in both configurations.

Damn looks like still a $9k difference when I do that....
it really depends on equipment levels.
the p400 gets a moonroof and cooled/power seats standard. That’s a near 8k delta right there. P400 also has “free” colors but on the p300 you have to pay. P400 also gets “free” 20” wheels

An equally equipped p300s for me vs the p400se minus the cooled and power seats is $8k less that’s about the true delta between the trims.
 
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Originally Posted by maxmk8
it really depends on equipment levels.
the p400 gets a moonroof and cooled/power seats standard. That’s a near 8k delta right there. P400 also has “free” colors but on the p300 you have to pay. P400 also gets “free” 20” wheels

An equally equipped p300s for me vs the p400se minus the cooled and power seats is $8k less that’s about the true delta between the trims.
Yeah. I went with the P300 and have put 3000mi in the last month on it. I have yet to have a single regret in terms of my build. The Defender was never a "fast" vehicle. I personally dont know what I would do with a faster defender. If you want to go properly fast, you get a different car entirely...





 
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