New Landcruiser 2024 what do you think ?
for NAS with 325hp petrol/hybrid - for Europe 200hp diesel

https://youtu.be/PtWXawWxD2A

 

It just depends where you itch, if this will scratch it. It might be ok, but I probably wouldn't have looked too long at it. My 110 got me with the ride/handling (air susp I had on the RR), the luxury front interior combined with the utility of the floor and rear interior, and the 8K towing capacity. I wanted a package-maxed Bronco Raptor to be what the 110-X was, but it wasn't even close... and every time I look at the back end of defender go by, I'm thinking they got it right. Enough so I went w/ a 10 year/100K warranty on mine. An FJ Raptor with a small V8 and luxury cockpit would probably have done it for me. The new landcruser will probably find it's nitch.

 

I really like the new LC, but the engine choice just isn’t going to support the towing capacity I need. The Defender is a unicorn.

 

The Lexus version (the GX) may be a better comparison to the Defender. Nicer interior than the Land Cruiser and a bit better power train (twin-turbo V6 with 349hp and 479 ft-lbs).

 

Towing is too low (6k) and while I do like the way it looks the towing capacity is what won the defender to me. I want to tow 5k - 7k and not be at the bleeding edge of it's limits.

Will wait to see if they do a TRD or Overlander version that has a better tow before I write it off completely, but that's why I don't have a Grand Cherokee or a Bronco.

I do like it's styling. Seems squares are back in style.

 

I can only hope they finally made a transmission that will not grenade 3rd gear when you have low selected. I have had 4 do it overseas. Very annoying. The other nice touch would be if they can keep the brake calipers from falling off. I also found that to be slightly less annoying. Never was my favorite vehicle in the first place, ever since the first ones in the 70's. I just keep having them thrust upon me by various agencies. I am sure I will get one shoved up wherever sometime soon in some wretched place offshore. Aside from that, they have all the styling charm of a Lada, just bigger.

 

I think it's interesting that they are offering the new LC in three platforms, and that the lowest end starts (allegedly, anyway) in the mid-50's (USD). It seems like they're responding to the Defender in this way. I used to have a 2012 4Runner and it was perfectly competent, but lacked a soul. I'll believe the mid-50's claim when the car actually shows up, and in the meantime I will enjoy the personality and driving experience of my Defender 110S.

 

I say we take this conversation over to the Toyota forum…

 

I agree the Lexus variety will be the ND comp. The over trail has more hp/torque, and it has similar electronics for the differentials. I sat in a 4Runner once and was like "why do I have to duck to enter the back seat of this thing?! where's the headroom space for passengers??" The headroom is just not in the 4Runner. It's possible that this GX will have a taller cabin, but will it be enough to match a ND? I'm doubtful anyone does what JLR does for giving passengers space. As for the outside, the GX clearly went "all in" on construction specs, as it's factory issued with a ladder body on frame, 18" rims, durable tires, rear bumper you can stand on, and a solid roof. Looking at the existing LX, one can see that angles (approach and departure) were not a consideration. It's possible the new GX offers reasonable angles, but given what Toyota did to the LX, I think for angles, the ND will win. It's looking like those favoring exterior will be interested in testing the GX, while those most concerned with physical space and roominess, well that seems likely to be the ND. I don't think it's possible to improve the ND interior - it's pretty much ideal as is. The LX - great as the start is being a LC base - is so outfitted with glitz & bling and low hanging parts that although it can go off road, I'd not buy it to take off road. To me, the LX is what you buy if you like the G Wagon, but have a family so you actually need to drive around passengers. If you've ever sat in a G Wagon, it's immediately understood why someone with a family would prefer to drive around town in the LX. As for the upcoming GX, if they want it taken off road, there's going to need to be some good angles so you don't bash the front grill or damage something underneath. Driving over rocky terrain has consequences to the underside of the vehicle, and so it has to be fitted to deal with that stuff.

I would say that the GX has a surprising amount of features at the outset that seem really close to the gripes folks have had with the ND. One of the most consistent bashes the ND has earned is the unwillingness of JLR to make the SUV ready for off road driving from the factory. Nobody that drives over rocks is unaware of how a low profile tire is a repair job waiting for an opportunity to sap your time and frustrate your driving experience. Selling Defenders with 18" rims, beefy tires, big wheel arches, that's a pretty reasonable request, and the fact that JLR refuses to meet consumer interest in those specs has given the GX an opportunity to say "Toyota is listening, try the GX!"