I hate A/S/S also, but to be fair, the environmental effect isn’t intended to be global, per se, offsetting global emissions vs. the increased negative effect of producing/replacing the equipment needed to implement it; the effect is meant to be most beneficial in crowded cities, where the local effect of thousands of cars idling at traffic lights all day at the corner of 14th and Peachtree is improved if they all shut off, or if half of them shut off, whereas the costs of that improvement that were mentioned in this thread typically occur far away from city concentrations.

Cheers!

 

I find i must reluctantly concede most of your points.points and ironically support them with the story from your tangent.

I am looking at ordering another Jeep in the near future. I keep configuring ones without the lane departure crap and emergency braking, but I may now change my mind.

Whatever I wind up ordering will likely become my daughter's first car when she starts driving in 5-6 years.

And last night on the way home from training she mentioned how the emergency braking in the Defender saved her and mom yesterday when this large truck suddenly cut them off and turned in front of them.

BTW we keep the lane departure correction feature turned off and it doesn't default on. But yeah that braking seems to have come out of no where and reacted quicker than my wife so perhaps it's time to reconsider my stance on that tech.

 

Thanks. Noticed that little diamond, illuminated only when the ignition is "on", and/or the engine is running. Managed to "program" it to deactivate/activate the auto stop/start. I agree with you that it is easier to hit that button on the steering wheel instead of reaching for the switch on the console. I find it interesting that there is zero mention of that user defined button anywhere in the owners manual including how to program it to whatever function you'd like.

I also read some of the posts about how to permanently disable that function. The procedure involves sourcing a little device that allows this reprogramming of the vehicle ECU. Not interested in spending the coin for something that looks to have limited or no documentation.

My last two vehicles were Fords. There is a free program, FORSCAN, which, along with an adaptor (OBDII connector to USB), and a host of documentation available online, allows reprogramming a lot of vehicle features, including disabling the auto start/stop. Wasn't a "tuner", it just allowed access to vehicle features, which could be changed/ or modified to suit owner preference. Forscan recognizes several other vehicle makes, such as Mazda, but unfortunately not any Land Rover vehicles, the interface to the vehicle being completely incompatible, though the OBDII connector is the same. Thats ok tho, as Ford has no vehicle in the same class as the Defender, and I'm happy with that trade off.

 

GAP tool allows all that and more, it's just not documented yet for Defender CCF entries.

 

What drives me nuts is all the times we sit at a traffic light, watching the red, when there is no cross traffic in sight. We have the tech, why can’t we program these lights to adapt to traffic? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than replacing starter motors, batteries and flywheels sometime down the road…

 

Glad to hear that the Emergency Braking did what it was supposed to do, avoiding an accident for your wife and daughter. It’s a mixed blessing at times. In that case it performed its function. My only issue is when it brakes when you DON’T want it to. For instance, while driving in moderate city traffic, a car in front of me slowed to make a right into a strip mall. By taking my foot off the gas and coasting with my foot shadowing the brake pedal, I could gauge his progress and my distance from him, knowing that he would clear the lane by the time I got anywhere near his bumper. Except, as the distance shortened the brakes suddenly applied, forcing the vehicle to stop short. I was lucky I didn’t get rear ended. I can only imagine the car behind me wondering why I slammed my brakes on for no apparent reason to him/her. One feature rarely discussed here is the rear Cross Traffic Monitor, which aids in backing out of a parking space when you have limited visibility. Now THAT one I do like.

 

Yeah 100%. I had a close call in my wife’s previous RR and was lucky not to get rear ended.

I want to say that I’m pretty sure there’s a setting to turn the lane assist and emergency braking (AEB) off, without having to disable at each start-up. I went through the set-up process when I first took delivery, and IIRC I turned them off because none of those “aids” have ever engaged. I do the same thing as you for right-hand turners. The lane assist is definitely off because there are many time I’ve crossed the double yellow or white shoulder lines to go by people waiting to turn.

UPATE: So I guess you can’t turn it off permanently because I just tried 😃. Interesting how none of them have never engaged🤷🏻‍♂️

I know the cross-traffic beeps at me, but I haven’t noticed it brake. TBH, I normally back into parking spots, so the times cross-traffic has engaged has been only a handful.

 

As someone who in one day with a rent a car almost had a head on collision when I tried to avoid someone crossing the double yellow line and the car forcing me back to almost collide, and almost running over a bicyclist when driving around him and the car forcing me back at him running him off the road…please disable these systems before you accidentally kill someone or yourself!!! These accidents are happening, but the car manufacturers are hiding it.

 

More than enough proof, here is just on link https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...assist-systems

 

What? All you have to do is resist the limp nudge and keep pushing the wheel where you want to go.