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Old Jun 18, 2021 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLittleEngineThatCould
Navigated here trying to find a tutorial for what I naturally assumed would be about a 15-30 minute procedure… on literally every single other off road vehicle ever produced by anyone ever.

I’m sorry… but are the engineers at JLR just f__king slow or something? Is there some serious mental deficiencies over there we should be aware of?

Major surgery to install or remove mudflaps? Bumpers off? Seriously?

I love my Defender. Somehow, a group of engineers with obviously no off road experience at all managed to design a vehicle that is, on the whole, a great truck. Call it luck, make the argument that math trumps learned know-how, whatever.

But now that design team needs to step aside and let some other engineers, who are cognizant of the basic requirements for an off road vehicle, take over for the refresh (which I imagine will happen around 2025). Go over the design and fix all the staggeringly ignorant mistakes like this one.

Okay, okay. Rant over.
Bumpers need to come off for the mudflaps to be installed? wth... I wouldn't have even bothered to add them to the order if I'd known that. Makes me wonder what I'm going to be looking at for labor costs, for the non-classic mudflaps and a spare tire cover when the vehicle gets delivered. I was in the ordering time-frame which was all off of the PDF. So it was for model year 2022 but the configurator still wasn't live yet and the mudflaps I don't believe were even options in the guide at the time.
 

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Old Jun 18, 2021 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief65
Bumpers need to come off for the mudflaps to be installed? wth... I wouldn't have even bothered to add them to the order if I'd known that. Makes me wonder what I'm going to be looking at for labor costs, for the non-classic mudflaps and a spare tire cover when the vehicle gets delivered. I was in the ordering time-frame which was all off of the PDF. So it was for model year 2022 but the configurator still wasn't live yet and the mudflaps I don't believe were even options in the guide at the time.

Parts + labor would be around $700 to $800 for mud flaps haha

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Old Jun 18, 2021 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief65
Makes me wonder what I'm going to be looking at for labor costs, for the non-classic mudflaps and a spare tire cover when the vehicle gets delivered.
The spare tire cover is installed with a single huge bolt, 180 inches for the D90, 197 inches for the D110. It runs the entire length of the truck. Since trucks that weren’t originally built with the tire cover option don’t have bolt holes through the seat rows and engine block, you need to gut the interior and swap the engine to install one. Parts and labor runs about $35k.

I’m joking, but I probably shouldn’t. I have no idea what insanity JLR has in store for you with a tire cover install. Conventional wisdom would say it’s a 2 minute bolt on plug and play. But maybe the roof has to be cut off and the body rebuilt. Who knows.
 

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Old Jun 18, 2021 | 11:53 PM
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It was a bitch taking off the factory/port installed mud flaps. As you can see they drill holes in the wheel well covers, so I just put the bolts back in where the holes in the black fender is. Took me a couple of hours so I didn’t break anything. No, neither bump comes off but the inner felt wheel well will need to come off. I’m hardcore offroader so when I see a ton of threads of people wanting them I crack up. Just give the truck to your wife if all it’s going to be is a grocery store soccer mom car not an offroader!





 
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Old Jun 19, 2021 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheLittleEngineThatCould
Navigated here trying to find a tutorial for what I naturally assumed would be about a 15-30 minute procedure… on literally every single other off road vehicle ever produced by anyone ever.

I’m sorry… but are the engineers at JLR just f__king slow or something? Is there some serious mental deficiencies over there we should be aware of?

Major surgery to install or remove mudflaps? Bumpers off? Seriously?

I love my Defender. Somehow, a group of engineers with obviously no off road experience at all managed to design a vehicle that is, on the whole, a great truck. Call it luck, make the argument that math trumps learned know-how, whatever.

But now that design team needs to step aside and let some other engineers, who are cognizant of the basic requirements for an off road vehicle, take over for the refresh (which I imagine will happen around 2025). Go over the design and fix all the staggeringly ignorant mistakes like this one.

Okay, okay. Rant over.
You are so right, I have a very hard time believing any of them have ever even changed a tire…LoL
 
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