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Charlie_V:
Truck seems to runs fine upon start up, and even after warmed up. I'm not having any acceleration issues like I was before either. Before I did some tinkering I noted how the truck ran rough, flashing check engine light constantly on and there was noticeable hesitation while accelerating to higher speeds. Have not had any of those symptoms since I tinkered with ****. I have not noticed any coolant lose and if you look at all the pictures above the top of the block is clean with no visible coolant, oil or fuel leaks. The coolant in the expansion tank remains at the full line and engine temps have been normal with no spikes. I do not have a spare MAF sensor and per everyones advice opted not to buy random parts unless I need them... I spoke to my mechanic about the possibility of a massive vacuum leak and he said I would hear it if that was the case. Plus I would be getting vacuum leak related fault codes.
fishEH:
The codes are fault codes, not pending codes and once I clear them, often times they wont reappear but sometimes Ultra Gauge will alert me of new pending codes later on in the day but the CEL does not reappear.
Truck seems to runs fine upon start up, and even after warmed up. I'm not having any acceleration issues like I was before either. Before I did some tinkering I noted how the truck ran rough, flashing check engine light constantly on and there was noticeable hesitation while accelerating to higher speeds. Have not had any of those symptoms since I tinkered with ****. I have not noticed any coolant lose and if you look at all the pictures above the top of the block is clean with no visible coolant, oil or fuel leaks. The coolant in the expansion tank remains at the full line and engine temps have been normal with no spikes. I do not have a spare MAF sensor and per everyones advice opted not to buy random parts unless I need them... I spoke to my mechanic about the possibility of a massive vacuum leak and he said I would hear it if that was the case. Plus I would be getting vacuum leak related fault codes.
fishEH:
The codes are fault codes, not pending codes and once I clear them, often times they wont reappear but sometimes Ultra Gauge will alert me of new pending codes later on in the day but the CEL does not reappear.
I don't believe in throwing parts at issues, either. But I'm lucky enough to have some extras and a friend with a disco so I'm able to borrow things like an MAF. Several years ago I had misfire issues and called Disco Mike. He listened to all I had done and suddenly announced that I needed a new MAF. I thought he was full of beans and I ignored that advice then did some other things, all of which were unsuccessful. In desperation I borrowed my buddy's MAF and the problems disappeared. Instantly. Mike was right.
You have so many new things in the engine bay and have done so much work, there are few things that could be causing the misfires at this point. With that many misfires, I'm thinking it could be the MAF. Bad knock sensors can also cause the computer to think you have misfires, but when mine have gone bad (or the wires melted) I had an instant code. I use the amazon cheapie MAF and have not had any problems.
I just accidentally went back to page 1 of your thread. Beautiful Disco!
Last edited by Charlie_V; 05-03-2016 at 12:01 AM.
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TRIARII (05-03-2016)
#312
I agree with your mechanic if you were listening for the right thing. I'm assuming this engine is pretty quiet. With so many misfires I would expect an audible hiss and I would expect lean/rich codes. I have pulled my fan just to listen for leaks They sometimes take longer to show up than misfire codes.
I don't believe in throwing parts at issues, either. But I'm lucky enough to have some extras and a friend with a disco so I'm able to borrow things like an MAF. Several years ago I had misfire issues and called Disco Mike. He listened to all I had done and suddenly announced that I needed a new MAF. I thought he was full of beans and I ignored that advice then did some other things, all of which were unsuccessful. In desperation I borrowed my buddy's MAF and the problems disappeared. Instantly. Mike was right.
You have so many new things in the engine bay and have done so much work, there are few things that could be causing the misfires at this point. With that many misfires, I'm thinking it could be the MAF. Bad knock sensors can also cause the computer to think you have misfires, but when mine have gone bad (or the wires melted) I had an instant code. I use the amazon cheapie MAF and have not had any problems.
I just accidentally went back to page 1 of your thread. Beautiful Disco!
I don't believe in throwing parts at issues, either. But I'm lucky enough to have some extras and a friend with a disco so I'm able to borrow things like an MAF. Several years ago I had misfire issues and called Disco Mike. He listened to all I had done and suddenly announced that I needed a new MAF. I thought he was full of beans and I ignored that advice then did some other things, all of which were unsuccessful. In desperation I borrowed my buddy's MAF and the problems disappeared. Instantly. Mike was right.
You have so many new things in the engine bay and have done so much work, there are few things that could be causing the misfires at this point. With that many misfires, I'm thinking it could be the MAF. Bad knock sensors can also cause the computer to think you have misfires, but when mine have gone bad (or the wires melted) I had an instant code. I use the amazon cheapie MAF and have not had any problems.
I just accidentally went back to page 1 of your thread. Beautiful Disco!
Thank you Charlie_V for the tip and compliments on my truck. Myself I do like throwing new parts in my truck because it does give me piece of mind and it quickly eliminates possible causes of issues. But money dictates.
How does everyone else feel about the MAF sensor as being the likely culprit? FYI I have cleaned it with MAF cleaner afew times since ownership of the truck and most recently during the tinkering I did. The sensor does not look damaged or appear to have any contaminants on the sensitive element inside the sensor.
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Triarii you are a detail oriented person and probably already knew this, but for others, cleaning the MAF requires that you let it completely cool down. I read a discussion on the elements and learned that it can take hours. If not, when the spray hits it, element gets microscopic cracks.
I'm not that patient so I've just gotten new ones and cleaned the old one for a spare after a successful drive.
I'm not that patient so I've just gotten new ones and cleaned the old one for a spare after a successful drive.
Last edited by Charlie_V; 05-04-2016 at 01:56 PM.
#315
It's not that complicated. If you understand how the MAF works, it's simply a piece of wire that's heated up exactly like a wire in your toaster. The hotter it is, the more resistance it has to current flow. As more or less intake air flows over it, it is cooled, changing the resistance. The resistance is measured to estimate the airflow.
It does not take any longer to cool off than a toaster wire. It will cool off in less than five minutes. It simply doesn't have enough mass to store heat longer than that. It's a tiny wire.
Cleaning it with a solvent cleaner like MAF sensor cleaner, non-chlorinated brake parts cleaner, acetone or something like that doesn't accomplish a lot. The hot wire itself will burn most contaminants off just like the wires in your toaster. It's the housing surrounding the wire that can accumulate dirt and grunge. The solvent cleaners can remove that without leaving a residue on the wire.
You could make the wire brittle by heating it up and then immediately cooling it off too rapidly like with a spray of cold solvent. If that doesn't break it, it will likely be annealed (softened) when it is reheated. There isn't much need to worry about microscopic cracks because of this annealing.
Wire element failure is not the only thing that can cause a bad MAF. There can also be wear, damage, and failure of measuring and electronic components (there's a circuit board on the side). There isn't a lot you can do to prevent or cause these failures. It's often just a result of time, age, vibration, and other stresses.
It does not take any longer to cool off than a toaster wire. It will cool off in less than five minutes. It simply doesn't have enough mass to store heat longer than that. It's a tiny wire.
Cleaning it with a solvent cleaner like MAF sensor cleaner, non-chlorinated brake parts cleaner, acetone or something like that doesn't accomplish a lot. The hot wire itself will burn most contaminants off just like the wires in your toaster. It's the housing surrounding the wire that can accumulate dirt and grunge. The solvent cleaners can remove that without leaving a residue on the wire.
You could make the wire brittle by heating it up and then immediately cooling it off too rapidly like with a spray of cold solvent. If that doesn't break it, it will likely be annealed (softened) when it is reheated. There isn't much need to worry about microscopic cracks because of this annealing.
Wire element failure is not the only thing that can cause a bad MAF. There can also be wear, damage, and failure of measuring and electronic components (there's a circuit board on the side). There isn't a lot you can do to prevent or cause these failures. It's often just a result of time, age, vibration, and other stresses.
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I understand how the MAF sensor operates and like I said I have used MAF cleaner. Have not used any other cleaners on the unit. I dont recall ever using MAF cleaner while the truck was hot though. But perhaps you guys are right about the MAF sensor housing itself that could be bad now. I hope the cable that plugs into the MAF sensor is not the problem. I will source a used sensor when I can and test it out for a week and see what happens. Ill keep this posted. Thanks again for the tips.
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