Land Rover LR2 HSE Timing chain or Timing belt?
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Quick update on my son's car: the St Thomas Ford dealership/service department won't work on the car because it's not a Ford. We finally found a mechanic on the island that took a quick look at the car and said it needs a new engine. My son doesn't want to invest in spending money to ship the engine to USVI, have the mechanic replace it and still potentially have other issues with the car and really have no place to service the car on island. Lesson learned: do not bring a car to USVI with no on island dealership/service department. Also, we have determined it is an interference engine.
If we were to ship the car back to Florida (about $1,500) does anyone know a general ball park figure on replacing the engine? I understand we would have to purchase a used engine and then pay to have it installed. Littlewhitedisco mentioned $2k-$3k, but their LR dealer is charging $6k. Is it worth putting this kind of money into the car at this point? Don't think my son can get much on the island for scrap or parts on the car.
He did purchase a Land Rover code reader thing and it kicked out the following codes:
P0016
P0016 is the OBD-II generic code indicating that the camshaft position sensor for bank 1 does not correlate to the signal from the crankshaft position sensor.
What causes the P0016 code?
The camshaft timing is out of position due to the timing chain jumped teeth.
The camshaft phaser is out of position due to problems with phaser.
The oil has flow to the phaser is impeded from having an incorrect oil viscosity or partly clogged passages.
The Oil Control Valve (OCV) has a restriction in the OCV filter.
P2544
A P2544 indicates there is a malfunction with signal input in the powertrain control module (PCM) or one of its related control modules.
What the P2544 code means
The P2544 code means an input signal malfunction has been detected in a powertrain-related control module, most notably (but not limited to) the transmission control module and PCM itself.
Problems with electrical input signals will affect the vehicle's drivability
He also got P0117, P0134, P0341 - which seem to be related to the camshaft.
Thanks again for any guidance. It's a hard pill to swallow to spend so much on a quality used car and have to replace the engine after 1 year of ownership.
If we were to ship the car back to Florida (about $1,500) does anyone know a general ball park figure on replacing the engine? I understand we would have to purchase a used engine and then pay to have it installed. Littlewhitedisco mentioned $2k-$3k, but their LR dealer is charging $6k. Is it worth putting this kind of money into the car at this point? Don't think my son can get much on the island for scrap or parts on the car.
He did purchase a Land Rover code reader thing and it kicked out the following codes:
P0016
P0016 is the OBD-II generic code indicating that the camshaft position sensor for bank 1 does not correlate to the signal from the crankshaft position sensor.
What causes the P0016 code?
The camshaft timing is out of position due to the timing chain jumped teeth.
The camshaft phaser is out of position due to problems with phaser.
The oil has flow to the phaser is impeded from having an incorrect oil viscosity or partly clogged passages.
The Oil Control Valve (OCV) has a restriction in the OCV filter.
P2544
A P2544 indicates there is a malfunction with signal input in the powertrain control module (PCM) or one of its related control modules.
What the P2544 code means
The P2544 code means an input signal malfunction has been detected in a powertrain-related control module, most notably (but not limited to) the transmission control module and PCM itself.
Problems with electrical input signals will affect the vehicle's drivability
He also got P0117, P0134, P0341 - which seem to be related to the camshaft.
Thanks again for any guidance. It's a hard pill to swallow to spend so much on a quality used car and have to replace the engine after 1 year of ownership.
The service manual does not mention P2544. P0117 is low coolant (did the engine overheat?). P0134 is an O2 sensor code. P0341 is related to P0016 and the camshaft position sensor.
Did the mechanic explain to you WHY it needs a new engine, or did he just eyeball it for a few seconds and pull a diagnosis out of his ***?
You don't need to ship the car to Florida. There are quite a few Land Rover independent shops in Puerto Rico, a lot closer. It might be worth it to pay one of them to send a mechanic and take a REAL look at the car, not just a quick look.
https://www.lrshops.com/landrovershops/puerto-rico/
There are two camshaft position sensors on this engine, one for the intake camshaft and one for the exhaust camshaft. On the diagram below they are items 1 and 3.
One of them coiuld be bad, or the engine for some reason got out of timing. The 3.2l gas engine doesn't have a timing belt like the diesel engine, it only has a timing chain. If there is a problem with, it is not a huge job to change it, if the shop is competent. I would advise not giving up on this yet.
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Thank you very much for the detailed response, flybd5! Yes, I agree, we need a more in-depth look at the car, rather than a quick eyeball of the engine. You have given me hope and a potential resource on San Juan. We did contact the LR dealership in San Juan and they will not fly someone over to St Thomas to look at the car, even at our expense (minimal relative to other options). Yes, I agree, we need a more thorough look at the car. I appreciate your diagram on a potential camshaft issue and encouragement on the timing chain replacement, if necessary. I will pass this information onto my son. Thanks so much!
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Thank you very much for the detailed response, flybd5! Yes, I agree, we need a more in-depth look at the car, rather than a quick eyeball of the engine. You have given me hope and a potential resource on San Juan. We did contact the LR dealership in San Juan and they will not fly someone over to St Thomas to look at the car, even at our expense (minimal relative to other options). Yes, I agree, we need a more thorough look at the car. I appreciate your diagram on a potential camshaft issue and encouragement on the timing chain replacement, if necessary. I will pass this information onto my son. Thanks so much!
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The service manual does not mention P2544. P0117 is low coolant (did the engine overheat?). P0134 is an O2 sensor code. P0341 is related to P0016 and the camshaft position sensor.
Did the mechanic explain to you WHY it needs a new engine, or did he just eyeball it for a few seconds and pull a diagnosis out of his ***?
You don't need to ship the car to Florida. There are quite a few Land Rover independent shops in Puerto Rico, a lot closer. It might be worth it to pay one of them to send a mechanic and take a REAL look at the car, not just a quick look.
https://www.lrshops.com/landrovershops/puerto-rico/
There are two camshaft position sensors on this engine, one for the intake camshaft and one for the exhaust camshaft. On the diagram below they are items 1 and 3.
One of them coiuld be bad, or the engine for some reason got out of timing. The 3.2l gas engine doesn't have a timing belt like the diesel engine, it only has a timing chain. If there is a problem with, it is not a huge job to change it, if the shop is competent. I would advise not giving up on this yet.
I thought we were talking about the ford turbo engine? That pic is the 3.2 i6.
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Yes, merlinj79 is correct, it is a Ford turbo engine.
I checked by the VIN number and the engine is a 4-cyl Turbo 2.0 liter auto 6-spd cmdshft engine. When I googled that, it seems like this type of engine is part of the 4 cyl EcoTec engine family.
The direct quote from a website is "Beneath the 2014 LR2 hood is a fuel-efficient 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine with high-pressure direct fuel injection and variable valve timing, lifted directly from the Range Rover Evoque. The four-cylinder turbo replaced the prior six-cylinder engine for 2013."
I checked by the VIN number and the engine is a 4-cyl Turbo 2.0 liter auto 6-spd cmdshft engine. When I googled that, it seems like this type of engine is part of the 4 cyl EcoTec engine family.
The direct quote from a website is "Beneath the 2014 LR2 hood is a fuel-efficient 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine with high-pressure direct fuel injection and variable valve timing, lifted directly from the Range Rover Evoque. The four-cylinder turbo replaced the prior six-cylinder engine for 2013."
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Yes, merlinj79 is correct, it is a Ford turbo engine.
I checked by the VIN number and the engine is a 4-cyl Turbo 2.0 liter auto 6-spd cmdshft engine. When I googled that, it seems like this type of engine is part of the 4 cyl EcoTec engine family.
The direct quote from a website is "Beneath the 2014 LR2 hood is a fuel-efficient 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine with high-pressure direct fuel injection and variable valve timing, lifted directly from the Range Rover Evoque. The four-cylinder turbo replaced the prior six-cylinder engine for 2013."
I checked by the VIN number and the engine is a 4-cyl Turbo 2.0 liter auto 6-spd cmdshft engine. When I googled that, it seems like this type of engine is part of the 4 cyl EcoTec engine family.
The direct quote from a website is "Beneath the 2014 LR2 hood is a fuel-efficient 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine with high-pressure direct fuel injection and variable valve timing, lifted directly from the Range Rover Evoque. The four-cylinder turbo replaced the prior six-cylinder engine for 2013."
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