https://news.sfr.fr/actualites/monde...n-floride.html

 

This shooting felt different, and it feels like people are responding differently.

I'm very pro gun. I'm a gun owner, myself, and don't know many people who aren't coming from a small appalachian town.

I don't think gun bans work. That said, I also don't believe we can write off the problem as "mental illness". That's not to say these people are mentally fit, but clinically I don't think there's much that can be done.

​​​​​i'd shake this guy's hand if I met him. He's making a stand for what he believes even at his own cost. We have to do something about this problem. We need to make it harder for kids to get guns into schools, but we also need to educate people on guns. That's where the difference is made. I went through a school-wide mandatory firearm safety course in middle school. This was less than 10 years ago. I think almost everyone came out of it for the better.

You can't get rid of guns in the US. Even if you wanted to, there's no way to track them all down. Saying they need to be banned and not teaching people about them is exactly the same as teaching abstinence in highschool sex Ed.

We need stricter and more thorough background checks to buy guns, change gun purchase laws so that they have to go through a dealer. We need to teach kids about guns instead of breeding fear and making guns taboo. Things that are taboo gain an allure, especially among teens and pre-teens. And for f*cks sake, can someone please shut up the NRA. Bunch of idiots.

​​​​​Major respect for this guy standing up for what he believes in. Thanks for sharing, France.

 

I’m not sure how FL treats their schools, but here in TX they basically allow people into a set of double doors, where an officer & school personel are present in a side room visible thru BR glass, the other set of doors into the rest of the school is mag lock shut & can’t be opened unless they verify who you are & who you are there to see, then you are buzzed in, and escorted to the place you need to go. All entrace/exits are mag locked. You can go out, but hold the door open for 15-30sec and an alarm sounds. Once shut you must go thru the front doors or be a teacher with a card to gain access. Oh and all of this is from Pre-k up to High School.

There is no way that 19 year old who was not a valid student would have marched right in & opened fire. Also people say he hid the AR15 under his clothes. He must have had some really baggy/large clothes!!!

People aren’t raising their kids with respect & yep the new generation does not educate anyone on firearms. I learned at 5 years old to respect guns and NEVER touch them growing up unless it was a life/death situation. Also the killers that are doing these shootings like the Movie Theatre in CO are still alive, getting shelter, 3 warm meals, health care, media attention, and I hate to say it social media makes em out to be heros & kids these days look up to em and wanna copy them.. If we got a hold of the ones that don’t kill thereselves first we need to quickly put them to death and let the media record it. I bet the kids wouldn’t be looking up to that if we actually punished these killers vs letting them live better than some homeless vets out there!

We could ban AR15’s right now, but all that will do is eventually ban all Semi Automatic rifles aka 75% of long rifles made today from the Marlin 60, Ruger 10/22 up to the AR15, SKS, AK47, or heck even a Semi Automatic shotgun. The firearm is just a tool. Sadly if another human being wishes to do harm to another human being or a group of human beings they’ll always find a way. Be it a poison, a bomb, a rental truck, or heck even a nail gun......

We need to educate people, I think more mental background checks, and if you attempt to but a gun and are told no for failing the 12 questions or the background check = the firearms dealer should call the police & that person should be questioned. Imagine how many people get turned away that we could have put away before they did someone harm.

None of my firearms have gone off the reservation or harmed anyone. It’s the person behind the trigger or the gas pedal that does the final thinking/action. A firearm is just an object.

I’ll never give up my right to defend my life, or my families. Take guns away & watch #2 pencil sales skyrocket as people start killing people with pencils John Wick style. Then they’ll be labeled “assault pencils”.

You’ll never see on TV all the cases where a licensed CHL carrier saves people be it a robbery, car jacking, attempted kidnapping, a rape, or as in TX the man that put down the mentally unstable ex Air Force man that walked into a church and opened fire. He used an AR15 and hit that guy 2-3 times and he eventually wrecked as he bled out.

There was also the San Antonio movie theatre shooting that was stopped by a man with a CHL.

I have no problem with people properly trained, licensed, had an extensive background check, and zero criminal records carrying a firearm.

 

I have to admit that there are far too many 'unstable' loons or 'oldies' with bad hearing or eyesight or both owning guns. Gun accidents and deaths in France are far too common and there should be more 'organised' hunting by the 'chasse'. The total ban on guns in the UK hasn't harmed anyone but has produced a knife crime culture in it's place. Unfortunately the criminal element will always find guns somehow but I cannot understand anyone wanting or needing an automatic or semi automatic weapon for whatever reason. I hold a legitimate firearms licence and once or twice a year check on my hand gun, an auto Beretta, but it has only been fired twice in 10 years mostly to ensure it still works OK. I can understand using bolt action rifles to hunt but not anything automatic and as for dum-dum bullets, they should be banned internationally.

Like the chasse in France, the NRA IMHO have too much power and need to be brought into line with reality. Deaths and accidents can and will occur unfortunately but mass slaughter of innocent people in a so called civilised society is unacceptable. Many people need a reality check which only seems to happen when it's one of their close family killed. I have to admit I don't care what happens in the US, UK, Syria or anywhere else as they know their own minds and bring much upon themselves, as long as it doesn't affect me or mine but when or if that day arises I will become a raging bull with a gun.

 

What people fail to notice is in doing that he committed several felonies.

>Created an NFA item, SBR or Short Barrelled Rifle. Highly illegal.
>Improperly destroyed a firearm, ATF has strict rules on how firearms are to be destroyed like that, minimum of 3 torch cuts to the receiver, not one saw cut which is deemed too easy to repair.

Nobody should applaud him, pro-gun or anti-gun. What he did under US law is punishable by many years in prison. If people do not want their guns in the wake of the tragedy in florida they should turn them in to Law Enforcement or just sell them. Improper destruction of firearms is a crime.

 

He did what his conscience told him to do which is far, far better than killing 17 innocent kids with his automatic.

Having just watched a US programme on the TV about the massacre the upswell of emotion against the massacre is gathering apace and for the President to even suggest that circuitously arming teachers is absolute lunacy as teachers are there to teach, to impart learning and not to protect children from deranged lunatics with guns.

Think Columbine High, Sandy Hook High and now Florida amongst many others, it's just too ludicrous IMHO, I don't want to read on here that someones kid on this forum was massacred in another lunacy shooting. The 2nd Amendment was created in the 18th century and is purposely misinterpreted to suit many other people, not least, the NRA.

 

Not here to argue politics with you.

The simplest point I need to get across is, should you (or anyone) find yourself in a situation like his, you feel that, in the wake of a tragedy you absolutely MUST get rid of your gun; NEVER EVER DO WHAT HE DID. . I cannot stress this enough. It is not only unlawful but extremely so. I do not want any fellow citizens to go to jail and then prison because they are stupid like this guy.

Instead, if you do not want to any longer be a gun owner, you may bring it to any police station or sheriffs department in the country, and surrender it to an officer on duty. They are able to take it and process a transfer of ownership legally. Additionally, many police departments hold what are called "gun buybacks" throughout the year in which they encourage people to turn in guns in exchange for usually gift cards to grocery stores or small amounts of equivalent money. Guns taken during these buybacks are almost always destroyed (if that matters to you). I won't say I disagree or agree with any of these practices here, but I would like for people to be aware of them.

Now, let us say you do NOT want the gun, and you feel as if you ABSOLUTELY must destroy this thing, for reasons emotional, professional, political, whatever... I don't care why you want to do it, as an American or legal gun owner of any nationality (my advice specific to USA) you have the right to do so. IF you must destroy it, either contact a representative of the ATF or look online for procedures to CORRECTLY and LAWFULLY destroy or render inoperable a firearm. This idiot's problem (not an idiot because he wanted to destroy the gun, but because he basically made himself a felon, did something highly illegal, etc.) is that he did not take the time to think about how to do it the right way and instead first:

1) chopped his rifle barrel from approximately 20 inches down to 4 inches. This now makes what was once a legally available long gun now a Short Barrelled Rifle, or SBR. These are NFA (national firearms act, basically a set of laws defining what citizens should have available as personal firearms, what they cannot have etc.) items that are controlled in their ownership. Examples of NFA items are SBR's, suppressors, and machine guns (fully automatic items). NFA items require a license and a tax stamp, not to mention a VERY thorough background check and records that you have what you have, not impossible to get in some states but not easy and very tightly controlled, IE no NFA items are really ever used in crimes since they are very expensive and hard to get, legally OR illegally. Now this man has illegally created a very "dangerous" gun in the eyes of the government, and done so unlawfully.

2) because now he has an NFA firearm, he needs to treat is as such. The ATF would look at this gun as similar in legal status to a machine gun and now he needs to render it inoperable as such. The ATF has fairly clear guides on how to render inoperable such things. See here: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/machinegun-destruction. This is the right way to do it if you absolutely must. Other commonly accepted ways are using large crushing machinery like compactors or steamrollers to utterly destroy firearms, see the news photos of steamrollers crushing piles and piles of gang weapons or buyback guns for example... etc. The method he used is specifically cited as an incorrect method of destruction, as it is possible to repair the gun to working order if only a sawcut is used. He should have either crushed the gun or used a torch and cut the receiver multiple times as indicated by the ATF diagram.

Because we live in this country, everyone has a right to what they believe, and if you one day find yourself in a situation like this man, I am not here to tell you not to give up or destroy your gun, I am saying don't do it like him. Otherwise you are an imbecile.

 

See above post, he is not only stupid but now technically a criminal

It has now come out as news that the police officer (deputy) assigned to the school did nothing and waited outside as the children were murdered. I would be inclined to agree with you and instead suggest perhaps either more guards for certain schools or better trained police there?

The simplest and only interpretation I care about is that it was intended to have a fully armed citizenry to protect against tyranny by government. All else is incidental. The pro-gun part of the American populace made several very large concessions to the anti-gun groups over the course of the last century. All you keep seeing is "we want more, more, more...." I don't believe it will ever be enough to satisfy them.

Frankly speaking, while I love and particularly enjoy France, French culture, cuisine, people, politics, etc. I know it is not really my place to suggest what is best for them. Perhaps if I had French citizenship, lived there, worked there, paid taxes there, etc. I would be entitled to suggest things for them. But I do not. I do not presume to know what is best for them, and nor do I expect the French or anyone for that matter to know what is best for me.... just an example.

Lots of things at play here. Not the least of which being an absolute failure of the police and medical services to identify this person as a threat and give them the mental health care they needed, or at the very least write a report, which would have flagged his background check and prevented him access to a firearm.

 

Yeah I just heard about that deputy that was caught on camera standing outside the school as shots were being fired and that truly makes me sick to my stomach! I'm not a policeman, ex military, or anything like that, but had I been on site in that deputies shoes I've entered that school in a heartbeat and worked my way up to the threat. Just firing back at him would have possibly been a game changer as honestly most kids I see these days are GIANT wimps. He wouldn't have just had a bunch of innocent people not fighting back anymore he'd have had a deputy sheriff (trained in firearms shooting back at him).

This situation has all sorts of loop holes on things that lead up to the shooting. I didn't know his barrel was chopped off (that makes more sense) when people said he hid it under his clothing. No way does my legal Sig Sauer M400 just slide under your shirt and go un-noticed!

People are saying people don't need these types of guns and that is a stupid argument. People don't need cars that go 200MPH either, but people buy them everyday. If you don't like guns the answer is simple don't buy any.

It's like the Speed kills argument and they take an interstate going thru absolutely nothing and take it down from 75MPH to 55MPH..... Does it stop deaths on the highways? Absolutely not, people die more from drunk drivers, animals, or from breaking down and being hit by a passing vehicle. If Speed killed as much as they try to prove then how in the hell does the Autobahn work so well??

Taking away guns will make the element of surprise when someone has a CHL go away because law abiding citizens will stop carrying, and the thugs will know that the only one that is going to win in that situation will be them.

We can't wait on 911 to show up, response times vary due to weather, traffic, and staff. There is no guarantee they'll ever make to you in time. I like that 911 exist, but I'm sorry I am not going to let my life hang on the line while they show up. If I'm going to die I'm going to go out fighting to protect myself or my loved ones and as we all have seen in Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark a pistol is going to kick a swords *** every time.