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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 08:58 AM
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(no disrespect to you or your son but when I was a chap I would do nascar victory lane burnouts in my pops 60's corvettes so, unless teenagers have changed...?)
LOL. No disrespect taken. That was the whole point of buying this car, was for him to learn on something more or less disposable. Considering the $3K I paid for it, it has done its job admirably in the first year of driving. With me he has always been a very safe driver, but perhaps alone he might feel more adventurous. He is reading this thread, so perhaps he will jump in to confess
 
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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 09:23 AM
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how are you planning on testing the engine with the MAF destroyed?
 
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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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how are you planning on testing the engine with the MAF destroyed?
From post #2 :

"Change only the filter, check oil level and fire it up. If no knocks, fix it. Will run rough or hard to start without MAF. But, this is doable, IF, he stopped immediately.
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The member that posted that has alot of years with rovers so, he could be right? I've never tried it but, sounds like he has.

When you do try to start it without the maf, I would make sure none of the bare wires on the maf sensor lead or any other wires that may have got damaged are touching each other.

Also remember potxoli, you will have to take the belt off to check the water pump shaft for play. If you haven't done that already.

AND draw yourself a diagram of exactly how the belt is routed before you take it off.... easy to put back on with wrong route.
 

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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 10:06 AM
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Hi Everyone,

my 2001 disco decided to celebrate our 1 anniversary of ownership by having the fan explode into bits in the engine bay. My son was driving the car at the time, he said he was at full throttle accelerating trying to merge when he heard a loud explosion and the hood seemed to want to pop up. He immediately pulled over and saw there was oil and water everywhere on the ground. We had the car towed back to the house.

I took the pics below to show the carnage. The fan blades took out the MAF, the thermostat and cooling hoses, and poked a nice gash in the oil filter which explains why the oil leaked out of the car.

Here are my questions that I could use some help with:

1- Does the repair seem like something I could DIY or should I go to the mechanic? I am reasonably handy, but this is larger in scope than anything I have attempted.
2- It feels like damage is not too bad, but do you think it might not be fixable or permanent damage was done? My son said it took him 30 seconds to pull over, so the car ran a bit before the engine stopped. Since the oil leak is from the filer, I figure there would be enough oil left not to cause block damage or something, but it would suck to order all the parts just to find out something permanent had happened to the engine. Should I change the oil/filter and run the engine with no coolant for a few seconds just to make sure it cranks and starts? Thoughts?
3- Any idea why this happened? Is there a better fan unit, maybe a metal one so it does not happen again?
4- The coolant hoses look ok upon inspection, but I'm wondering if I should replace them all. Probably safer? Is there a hose kit/thermostat that is recommended as an upgrade?
5- the plastic shroud protection around the fan that also surround the sides of the radiator is in shambles. Total loss. Is this part necessary? It seems it is there for safety, but has no functional role. I'm wondering if I should skip ordering it.
6- MAF was Bosch and brand new. Connector is toast, but perhaps there is a way to salvage it?
7- Finally, anything else I should be looking for or considering at this point that I might not have spotted?

Thanks for the help!

-Eric
Looks like carnage unfortunately. IMO also the fan isn't the root cause I reckon something else caused it to disintegrate like a pump failure or a tool or piece of debris caught in it. The breaks in the fan blades will tell all and from the photos there doesn't appear to be old stress cracks or fissures showing or potential stress marks. Hard to judge though from photos.

PS. Can you possible borrow a MAF from someone else to run up the engine to test it?
 

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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RicketyTick
From post #2 :

"Change only the filter, check oil level and fire it up. If no knocks, fix it. Will run rough or hard to start without MAF. But, this is doable, IF, he stopped immediately.
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The member that posted that has alot of years with rovers so, he could be right? I've never tried it but, sounds like he has. But when you do try to start it without the maf, I would make sure none of the bare wires on the maf sensor lead or any other wires that may have got damaged are touching each other.

Also remember potxoli, you will have to take the belt off to check the water pump shaft for play. If you haven't done that already.

AND draw yourself a diagram of exactly how the belt is routed before you take it off.... easy to put back on with wrong route.
When I first got the truck, it had a persistent MAF check engine light. The MAF was some crappy chinese version. Truck ran rough and seemed to not pull at all. But it worked fine, meaning it started and got me from point A to point B. Bought a bosch and check engine light went away and truck ran much better.

My understanding of fuel injection is that the DME has a "default" MAF map that covers normal conditions. The MAF sensor provides a feedback loop and the MAF map is altered realtime based on the feedback. In absence of the feedback loop, DME's default back to the built in map.

I think that is right, but I am just an enthusiast, (computer programmer by trade), so I might be completely wrong.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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When I first got the truck, it had a persistent MAF check engine light. The MAF was some crappy chinese version. Truck ran rough and seemed to not pull at all. But it worked fine, meaning it started and got me from point A to point B. Bought a bosch and check engine light went away and truck ran much better.

My understanding of fuel injection is that the DME has a "default" MAF map that covers normal conditions. The MAF sensor provides a feedback loop and the MAF map is altered realtime based on the feedback. In absence of the feedback loop, DME's default back to the built in map.

I think that is right, but I am just an enthusiast, (computer programmer by trade), so I might be completely wrong.
I would be totally guessing, but I would guess yes you are probably right.
and since you are just wanting to run it for a minute prior to dumping a bunch of $ on parts then I would think if you could just get it to start and run then you would be able to hear if there are any loud squeals or knocks in the lower end.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2014 | 03:35 PM
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ECM definitely has a default mode to use and run with MAF failure - really shouldn't even run that much different - bad MAF is worse than no MAF sometimes.

I will also chime in and recommend parts from Paul Grant - most of those parts used will be fine and I wouldn't put the money for new parts in $3k car. Very unlikely another fan will go - probably something else next time. It is a Rover...
 
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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 05:55 AM
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I just noticed this bent tube on the steering unit upon further inspection. See pic below. Not sure if the fan did that (angle seems off), but it doesn't look good. Any ideas if this is repairable?
 
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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 06:05 AM
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that looks like the high pressure line from the power steering pump, it's possible you could repair it with compression unions.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2014 | 07:29 AM
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I believe this is the part you are looking for. You don't have to buy it new. This is one of those parts that is okay buying used. It doesn't spin at high speeds like the fan move and it likely won't destroy anyhting else if it fails. HOSE PAS PUMP-STRNG BOX DISCOVERY II, RNH076, QEP105481 - Rovers North - Classic Land Rover Parts

 
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