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Old Dec 9, 2019 | 02:29 PM
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I use the oem cross shaped cruciform seals.
I don't trust the aftermarket design.


 

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Old Dec 9, 2019 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Gallant
I had mine replaced a few months ago it was shot, no leaks since. @Extinct I would like to hear your explanation of why they do not leak.
There is a big oil drain relief groove and hole between the rear main journal and the rms. Oil is pumped out of the rmj, but the groove and hole give it a drain back path in to the pan. There is literally no way for pressure to build behind the rms.







However that same oil that is under pressure at the rmj can be pumped out between the parting line on the sides of the journal, hence the crucifix seals. If you had an oily rms it likely was being pumped out at the parting line and the crank threw it around.

To the poster that said the dealer replaced the rms and solved their problem, I doubt very seriously they dropped the transmission to change the rms and DID NOT replaced the crucifix seals. More likely they did the crucifix seals only and charged you for the rms (much bigger job).
 
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Old Dec 9, 2019 | 08:58 PM
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That makes sense.
Thanks for explaning that.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2019 | 01:17 AM
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@Extinct thanks very much, I know in my case they dropped the transmission and replaced the seal. As I trust that mechanic and they investigated the source of the leak and got my ok prior to the work I have to accept their diagnosis. But it is a 14 year old Disco who knows what went on prior to my ownership the seal may have been damaged by someone else and just gave up.

Your explanation and images make it look like a pretty rare failure.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2019 | 11:45 AM
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https://www.roverparts.com/resources...TEhCQ1ZrIn0%3D

AB video on rear main seal leak: "The main seal on a 4.0 or 4.6 V8 engine is only one point where an oil leak can occur."
 
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Old Dec 12, 2019 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave03S
https://www.roverparts.com/resources...TEhCQ1ZrIn0%3D

AB video on rear main seal leak: "The main seal on a 4.0 or 4.6 V8 engine is only one point where an oil leak can occur."
No, he shows the crucifiorm seals and cam plug as potential leakers too, and they are.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2019 | 01:20 PM
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"Only one point where they can leak." Not "The Only" point... I read it that way at first too but the video shows all of the ways it can leak.

 
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Old Dec 12, 2019 | 01:29 PM
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Fixed the wording so it is less confusing.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2020 | 09:58 AM
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Where does one acquire those older style cruciform seals? Can only find the aftermarket ones.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2020 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon318
Where does one acquire those older style cruciform seals? Can only find the aftermarket ones.
Bearmach has them
I bought 2 sets a couple months ago, about $12 a pair.
 
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