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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 04:11 PM
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LR service mode in the past.

Seems to be the same as using the GAP tool.

https://f01.justanswer.com/jhook1398...9229a3_EB_.pdf
 
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GavinC
LR service mode in the past.

Seems to be the same as using the GAP tool.

https://f01.justanswer.com/jhook1398...9229a3_EB_.pdf
This is for putting the EPB into the service position, needed for replacing pads/rotors/etc, not for bleeding the brakes. This isn't related to "set the Integrated Power Brake to the assembly mode". Infact if you lookup the procedure for replacing the EPB actuator, it says to first put the Integrated Power Brake into assembly, and then the next step is to put the EPB into the service position. So they can't be the same thing.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
This is for putting the EPB into the service position, needed for replacing pads/rotors/etc, not for bleeding the brakes. This isn't related to "set the Integrated Power Brake to the assembly mode". Infact if you lookup the procedure for replacing the EPB actuator, it says to first put the Integrated Power Brake into assembly, and then the next step is to put the EPB into the service position. So they can't be the same thing.
OK.

There is a post about it on here somewhere. The service mode opens up two valves in the ABS system that otherwise remain closed leaving a small loop of brake line unbled. My understanding was this was the procedure to activate service mode to open the flaps and disengage EPB. The latter can be done without any fancy procedure of course. Now that I have a GAP tool I'm going to take a look at it when I do my next flush in a couple of weeks.

One way or another as the system is all inter connected. Even changing the fluid and flushing from the 4 wheels is going to replace 99% of the fluid with fresh stuff. I'll see if I can find it. Nice diagram explaining it better

https://www.lrdefender.org/integrate..._mode-517.html
 

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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GavinC
There is a post about it on here somewhere. The service mode opens up two valves in the ABS system that otherwise remain closed leaving a small loop of brake line unbled. My understanding was this was the procedure to activate service mode to open the flaps and disengage EPB. The latter can be done without any fancy procedure of course. Now that I have a GAP tool I'm going to take a look at it when I do my next flush in a couple of weeks.

One way or another as the system is all inter connected. Even changing the fluid and flushing from the 4 wheels is going to replace 99% of the fluid with fresh stuff. I'll see if I can find it. Nice diagram explaining it better
Thanks for the explanation, that would make sense, as you are right you can put the EPB in service mode with\without a diagnostic tool. The IIDTool manual doesn't mention it does this however, it just says it puts the EPB in the service position. I've reached out to the GAP guys, I'll post back if they can confirm what you are saying.

You are totally right of course, that tiny bit of fluid is probably not an issue at all, infact flushing the brakes at 2 years seems overkill to begin with. But if I have the tool and the procedure, might as well follow it.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 05:19 PM
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Bleeding without service mode leaves the blue section unbled. These images are from the Brembo Brake Upgrade thread.


Activate service mode with a diagnostic tool. Generic is apparently good.



This shows why you need to pump the brakes in addition to using the power bleeder.

I'll have my pit crew lend a hand.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
Thanks for the explanation, that would make sense, as you are right you can put the EPB in service mode with\without a diagnostic tool. The IIDTool manual doesn't mention it does this however, it just says it puts the EPB in the service position. I've reached out to the GAP guys, I'll post back if they can confirm what you are saying.

You are totally right of course, that tiny bit of fluid is probably not an issue at all, infact flushing the brakes at 2 years seems overkill to begin with. But if I have the tool and the procedure, might as well follow it.
No worries. I could be completely off. I'd be very interested to learn what the good folks at GAP IID say about the procedure. The reason I'm doing it again is because of this error the last time I flushed them. Fluid looked perfect but nice to do it right if I can.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2023 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GavinC
No worries. I could be completely off. I'd be very interested to learn what the good folks at GAP IID say about the procedure. The reason I'm doing it again is because of this error the last time I flushed them. Fluid looked perfect but nice to do it right if I can.
I'd say you are spot on, that brembo post even mentions he was getting ABS errors that went away after flushing with service mode using the GAP IIDTool. If the tool only put the EPB in the service position, it wouldn't have done anything for those ABS errors.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2023 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GavinC
No worries. I could be completely off. I'd be very interested to learn what the good folks at GAP IID say about the procedure. The reason I'm doing it again is because of this error the last time I flushed them. Fluid looked perfect but nice to do it right if I can.
Yeah just got confirmation from Patrick that the IIDTool's ABS module "Go to Service Position" routine does both the EPB and the equivalent of setting the "power brake module to assembly mode".
 
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Originally Posted by Iceman153
Yeah just got confirmation from Patrick that the IIDTool's ABS module "Go to Service Position" routine does both the EPB and the equivalent of setting the "power brake module to assembly mode".
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Thanks Iceman
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