CannibalV8 - Buyer beware!!
Rock Crawling
Joined: Feb 2015
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From: Upstate South Carolina
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FWIW, a very good friend of mine just put an ACR motor in his Defender and loves it. This will probably be my option.
FWIW, a very good friend of mine just put an ACR motor in his Defender and loves it. This will probably be my option.
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Rock Crawling
Joined: Jul 2012
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From: Warren PA
Ok I have heard from Steve and there is a hell of lot more to this story than what is posted here. Steve had health issues during some of this in Sept. and that is why there was a short time of lack of communication, while Steve was out of commission. How about the fact that the front cover is extremely rare and Brent was aware of the sourcing issues with this. Interesting how it was supplied and what Steve did to get it to Brent. Also how about the fact that the truck was fine for 1500miles journey home home...lots of stuff that is not on this thread that the owner and Steve and now I know. Details not needed for for all except the parties that matter, but there are many. Lucky8 folks plz talk to Steve you will see how this was handled and appreciate it as a business owner. He is not out to screw anyone. I hope you do connect as both of you take care of my D2 crap and both of you have integrity and honesty and take care of customers, like the other reputable vendors you and I both deal with. I am surprised your paths have not crossed up to now honestly. Here is the Bottomline, they have a game plan and all the crap here is just crap. Steve was not aware of this thread until I sent it to him today. To my point communication was bad and now people want to trash Cannibal. So ridiculous that this got out of hand. I think Brent you need to add a post on what Steve is going to do and make this right, personally. You know what kind of person Steve is. There is no reason to trash a man and his business over internet frenzy bull****. There are others interested in motors and this entire thread is out of hand in my opinion. We are human. PArts break and can be crap as I have seen from BMW porshe and landrover. How many radiators are bad before a good one... etc...people can have issues that come up like health problems etc...it is all about how things get handled!
I am not going to speak for Steve that is his business, but as I told Steve if you told the customer to stick it and did not take interest in making things right I would also point that out. Steve is a good person and wants to make this right. To anyone looking at this that wonders if Cannibal is a option to look at. Call Steve and mention your concern. you will see first hand what kind of person he is and more importantly why you should consider his motors. He does care and he does stand behind the product which is made with best materials and best know how out there. This is all I got to say on this matter and yes I do take a personal interest in Cannibal. Why? I know and have known for a few years why I bought from them and what if I have a problem, how it will be handled. I can guarantee 110% Steve will take care of it! Geez I got to get back to work...
I am not going to speak for Steve that is his business, but as I told Steve if you told the customer to stick it and did not take interest in making things right I would also point that out. Steve is a good person and wants to make this right. To anyone looking at this that wonders if Cannibal is a option to look at. Call Steve and mention your concern. you will see first hand what kind of person he is and more importantly why you should consider his motors. He does care and he does stand behind the product which is made with best materials and best know how out there. This is all I got to say on this matter and yes I do take a personal interest in Cannibal. Why? I know and have known for a few years why I bought from them and what if I have a problem, how it will be handled. I can guarantee 110% Steve will take care of it! Geez I got to get back to work...
Okay,
1) Since you brought it up in your post, I’m curious if you’re actually trying to tell me and anyone else who reads, that an oil light at idle is what you would consider “fine” as you put it for a brand new engine, or that you wouldn’t take issue with the builder who would let your engine sit unusable and in pieces for 45 days after paying for it while you wait to see if today’s a good day to repair your engine under warranty?
2) I both respect & appreciate your injecting an opinion and even reflecting on your apparent positive experiences with both Steven & CannibalV8 as it brings up the opportunity for discussion, and in your particular case, the opportunity for spirited debate. However, I would be remiss, if I didn’t point out that whether you had a good, bad, or otherwise experience with Steve & CannibalV8, it makes my experience no less credible, and most definitely does not offer you the opportunity to personally attack me without first researching the facts from both parties before passing judgement. Since you used my first name like you we knew each other within your post (I don't really think we do, but I may be wrong), and even drug an innocent third party into the mix, I have to assume you did your due diligence and performed sufficient research in order to ascertain all of the facts, then subsequently based your opinions contained within your post entirely on those conversations and not purely on emotion, right? Well, I know I was out of the office a lot this week, but don’t remember hearing about your messages of inquiry or seeing emails from you, so I’m betting you went about this purely on emotion and without any research whatsoever…
I should also take a moment to point out that nowhere in my initial post did I say Steve & CannibalV8 hasn’t built good engines in the past, won’t build good engines in the future, or wasn’t a nice person as that would just not be true, and I did my research prior to committing to the build; I flew to OCK from Pennsylvania twice and visited his shop, and even considered recommendations from this & other forums before making my decision! I did however say as an engine builder, he had to be aware he fell short on my build prior to delivery and hasn’t honored his warranty to anyone’s satisfaction since I picked up my Disco. And seriously, Steven’s health has nothing to do with CannibalV8’s fiduciary duty as an organization to honor the warranty as written in an efficient & honorable fashion.
3) Now, with that being said, let’s see if I can put this into perspective. Steve knew there was issues with the engine's oil pressure on the 28th of January when I picked it up. He told me there was no issue with the vehicle & told be if the oil light bothered me too much to put a piece of tape over it. Once again, you are speaking out of turn when you say to say he wasn't aware of the issue, from the day I picked up the Disco to yesterday, there have been a total of 23 calls, 41 text messages & 16 emails between him and me. These messages have covered conversations ranging from his admission of error during the build dtd 2/9/2016 after he viewed the same pictures I placed in this post and his subsequent authorization to repair the vehicle, my making Steve aware of my intentions to post this thread on 2/26/2016 as a response to his unwillingness to respond, reply, or otherwise honor his warranty, in which I gave him 5 days to contact me before I did.
And finally, I would be more than happy to post what Steve & I agreed to this week. It is my financial responsibility to pay all of the shop’s labor rates associated with the teardown & rebuild of the engine, as well as all sundries needed for support. Steve will source & ship any damaged part uncovered due to the low oil pressure. I’m cautiously optimistic that with my commitment to foot the labor bill, and Steve’s commitment to supply the parts, I think even you would have to agree that I am being more than fair!
2nd Gear
Joined: Dec 2014
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I talked to Cannibal right after I purchased my 2nd 2004 SE7. I bought it with known issues and decided I'd start fresh. I'm in Houston, and ultimately decided OK was just too far to take my engine and the turn around time was too long. I ended up using Motorcars Ltd here in Houston. I got a 4.6 long block with most of the features Cannibal offers. Install took me 3 weeks since I'm an amateur. The engine has 11k on it now, runs great. I did the inline thermostat modification, the engine runs between 183 and 190. Mileage is around 14 mpg. I probably need a new MAF. Motorcars Ltd prices are higher now than when I did my swap, but here is their link anyways...lbb112301.res - Engine
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 408
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From: Cumming Ga
See, this is why I hate trying to help others! Since posting this thread, some people like you have been accusing me of bashing, libel, and now taking advantage of the sick and outright lying based purely on emotion, and we don’t even know each other!
Okay,
1) Since you brought it up in your post, I’m curious if you’re actually trying to tell me and anyone else who reads, that an oil light at idle is what you would consider “fine” as you put it for a brand new engine, or that you wouldn’t take issue with the builder who would let your engine sit unusable and in pieces for 45 days after paying for it while you wait to see if today’s a good day to repair your engine under warranty?
2) I both respect & appreciate your injecting an opinion and even reflecting on your apparent positive experiences with both Steven & CannibalV8 as it brings up the opportunity for discussion, and in your particular case, the opportunity for spirited debate. However, I would be remiss, if I didn’t point out that whether you had a good, bad, or otherwise experience with Steve & CannibalV8, it makes my experience no less credible, and most definitely does not offer you the opportunity to personally attack me without first researching the facts from both parties before passing judgement. Since you used my first name like you we knew each other within your post (I don't really think we do, but I may be wrong), and even drug an innocent third party into the mix, I have to assume you did your due diligence and performed sufficient research in order to ascertain all of the facts, then subsequently based your opinions contained within your post entirely on those conversations and not purely on emotion, right? Well, I know I was out of the office a lot this week, but don’t remember hearing about your messages of inquiry or seeing emails from you, so I’m betting you went about this purely on emotion and without any research whatsoever…
I should also take a moment to point out that nowhere in my initial post did I say Steve & CannibalV8 hasn’t built good engines in the past, won’t build good engines in the future, or wasn’t a nice person as that would just not be true, and I did my research prior to committing to the build; I flew to OCK from Pennsylvania twice and visited his shop, and even considered recommendations from this & other forums before making my decision! I did however say as an engine builder, he had to be aware he fell short on my build prior to delivery and hasn’t honored his warranty to anyone’s satisfaction since I picked up my Disco. And seriously, Steven’s health has nothing to do with CannibalV8’s fiduciary duty as an organization to honor the warranty as written in an efficient & honorable fashion.
3) Now, with that being said, let’s see if I can put this into perspective. Steve knew there was issues with the engine's oil pressure on the 28th of January when I picked it up. He told me there was no issue with the vehicle & told be if the oil light bothered me too much to put a piece of tape over it. Once again, you are speaking out of turn when you say to say he wasn't aware of the issue, from the day I picked up the Disco to yesterday, there have been a total of 23 calls, 41 text messages & 16 emails between him and me. These messages have covered conversations ranging from his admission of error during the build dtd 2/9/2016 after he viewed the same pictures I placed in this post and his subsequent authorization to repair the vehicle, my making Steve aware of my intentions to post this thread on 2/26/2016 as a response to his unwillingness to respond, reply, or otherwise honor his warranty, in which I gave him 5 days to contact me before I did.
And finally, I would be more than happy to post what Steve & I agreed to this week. It is my financial responsibility to pay all of the shop’s labor rates associated with the teardown & rebuild of the engine, as well as all sundries needed for support. Steve will source & ship any damaged part uncovered due to the low oil pressure. I’m cautiously optimistic that with my commitment to foot the labor bill, and Steve’s commitment to supply the parts, I think even you would have to agree that I am being more than fair!
Okay,
1) Since you brought it up in your post, I’m curious if you’re actually trying to tell me and anyone else who reads, that an oil light at idle is what you would consider “fine” as you put it for a brand new engine, or that you wouldn’t take issue with the builder who would let your engine sit unusable and in pieces for 45 days after paying for it while you wait to see if today’s a good day to repair your engine under warranty?
2) I both respect & appreciate your injecting an opinion and even reflecting on your apparent positive experiences with both Steven & CannibalV8 as it brings up the opportunity for discussion, and in your particular case, the opportunity for spirited debate. However, I would be remiss, if I didn’t point out that whether you had a good, bad, or otherwise experience with Steve & CannibalV8, it makes my experience no less credible, and most definitely does not offer you the opportunity to personally attack me without first researching the facts from both parties before passing judgement. Since you used my first name like you we knew each other within your post (I don't really think we do, but I may be wrong), and even drug an innocent third party into the mix, I have to assume you did your due diligence and performed sufficient research in order to ascertain all of the facts, then subsequently based your opinions contained within your post entirely on those conversations and not purely on emotion, right? Well, I know I was out of the office a lot this week, but don’t remember hearing about your messages of inquiry or seeing emails from you, so I’m betting you went about this purely on emotion and without any research whatsoever…
I should also take a moment to point out that nowhere in my initial post did I say Steve & CannibalV8 hasn’t built good engines in the past, won’t build good engines in the future, or wasn’t a nice person as that would just not be true, and I did my research prior to committing to the build; I flew to OCK from Pennsylvania twice and visited his shop, and even considered recommendations from this & other forums before making my decision! I did however say as an engine builder, he had to be aware he fell short on my build prior to delivery and hasn’t honored his warranty to anyone’s satisfaction since I picked up my Disco. And seriously, Steven’s health has nothing to do with CannibalV8’s fiduciary duty as an organization to honor the warranty as written in an efficient & honorable fashion.
3) Now, with that being said, let’s see if I can put this into perspective. Steve knew there was issues with the engine's oil pressure on the 28th of January when I picked it up. He told me there was no issue with the vehicle & told be if the oil light bothered me too much to put a piece of tape over it. Once again, you are speaking out of turn when you say to say he wasn't aware of the issue, from the day I picked up the Disco to yesterday, there have been a total of 23 calls, 41 text messages & 16 emails between him and me. These messages have covered conversations ranging from his admission of error during the build dtd 2/9/2016 after he viewed the same pictures I placed in this post and his subsequent authorization to repair the vehicle, my making Steve aware of my intentions to post this thread on 2/26/2016 as a response to his unwillingness to respond, reply, or otherwise honor his warranty, in which I gave him 5 days to contact me before I did.
And finally, I would be more than happy to post what Steve & I agreed to this week. It is my financial responsibility to pay all of the shop’s labor rates associated with the teardown & rebuild of the engine, as well as all sundries needed for support. Steve will source & ship any damaged part uncovered due to the low oil pressure. I’m cautiously optimistic that with my commitment to foot the labor bill, and Steve’s commitment to supply the parts, I think even you would have to agree that I am being more than fair!
I never meant for this to get so strong. I apologize if I come across course. I only wanted validation and I got it from Erik and Steve reached out to me as well. Yes I maynot have had all the facts, to your point nor did I really want them. I only wanted you to get the motor issues resolved and Steve to not lose business based on this incident and Internet posting. There are reoccurring instances where people want to use the internet to come down on companies with good to great reputations when they themselves have not communicated clearly to get resolution or did not exhaust all other ways to resolve the dispute. I am not implying this is what you did first and foremost. Sounds like you did with losts of effort. I I bashed or was libel again my apologies. I and others reached out to you here and through pm to get more info. You did not respond until this last thread. I understand you are busy with work as this is my damn life as well. But no worries what is most important is that you have a solution that you seem to be happy with. I am as laid back as they come and sorry I even chimed in to this ordeal to be honest with you. Steve and Erik are good people, reputable as well in my opinion. I only wanted him(steve) to have a fair chance to defend himself and get your issue resolved. Hope to meet you one day and sorry if I ruffled your feathers
David Frankel
Me either.
