Discovery 2 LS Conversion
#832
I pinned all 8 of mine prior to the rebuild, trying to stop what turned out to be worn bearing noise, not a slipped sleeve tapping.
The sleeves can definately come up more than a thousandth too, based on pictures I've seen, where the sleeve hammers into the bottom of the head gasket as it moves up and down.
So much so that I would guess they can move at least .015 to .020", maybe even a little more.
Really the head and head gasket are the only thing limiting it's travel up anyway(obviously, lol), so however far it can punch into whatever material type and thickness of the head gasket.
I think the cracked blocks can be repaired with the top-hat sleeves with o-rings, and I have not read of those failing.
I was actually going to buy a set from a member here, but had the same problem he did, no machine shops within several hours of me would do it.
I'm also curious of the o-ring's life span in that kind of heat, especially if the sleeve is surrounded by coolant from a cracked block, and the o-ring is all that stops it from leaking out of the bottom of the sleeve.
As said, mine was seeping coolant between 3 sleeves and the block, and out of the top, not the bottom(at least from what I could see).
Extinct is still supposed to get that block too, and he said he has some tests in mind to learn more about the issue, so his results should be interesting.
The sleeves can definately come up more than a thousandth too, based on pictures I've seen, where the sleeve hammers into the bottom of the head gasket as it moves up and down.
So much so that I would guess they can move at least .015 to .020", maybe even a little more.
Really the head and head gasket are the only thing limiting it's travel up anyway(obviously, lol), so however far it can punch into whatever material type and thickness of the head gasket.
I think the cracked blocks can be repaired with the top-hat sleeves with o-rings, and I have not read of those failing.
I was actually going to buy a set from a member here, but had the same problem he did, no machine shops within several hours of me would do it.
I'm also curious of the o-ring's life span in that kind of heat, especially if the sleeve is surrounded by coolant from a cracked block, and the o-ring is all that stops it from leaking out of the bottom of the sleeve.
As said, mine was seeping coolant between 3 sleeves and the block, and out of the top, not the bottom(at least from what I could see).
Extinct is still supposed to get that block too, and he said he has some tests in mind to learn more about the issue, so his results should be interesting.
Hmm, interesting information on this topic. Yeah the O-ring thing is an interesting option but yeah I too question how long it would work, there's some really amazing materials that O-rings can be made out of these days but they have their limitations...
Maybe one day my engine could run again in some combination of a fix, I would really think welding it would be the first option, maybe even at that point install a tophat liner and o-ring as a backup in case the weld somehow failed. I suppose time will tell us more on how these fixes work.
#833
If you're going to give away the electronic function of the Disco 2, I wouldn't do it for an even older engine..... Hell, might as well just swap in a Gen IV GM motor with far better mileage, hp and a transmission that's matched.
#834
Hmm, interesting information on this topic. Yeah the O-ring thing is an interesting option but yeah I too question how long it would work, there's some really amazing materials that O-rings can be made out of these days but they have their limitations...
Maybe one day my engine could run again in some combination of a fix, I would really think welding it would be the first option, maybe even at that point install a tophat liner and o-ring as a backup in case the weld somehow failed. I suppose time will tell us more on how these fixes work.
Maybe one day my engine could run again in some combination of a fix, I would really think welding it would be the first option, maybe even at that point install a tophat liner and o-ring as a backup in case the weld somehow failed. I suppose time will tell us more on how these fixes work.
Would it leak around or near the weld, or simply fail again at the next weakest point?
And, if the crack is directly behind the liner, then any weld would have to be ground completely smooth and flush before the sleeve could be put back in.
Which then brings the question; given the rate of expansion/contraction of different metals, how well is the weld going to hold on the cast block, during heating of the block to reinstall the sleeve, and normal engine operation(I'm really asking, as I am not a welder)??
#835
Yeah, but I wonder how well a tig weld would work on a super thin casting, that failed because it was thin and weak.
Would it leak around or near the weld, or simply fail again at the next weakest point?
And, if the crack is directly behind the liner, then any weld would have to be ground completely smooth and flush before the sleeve could be put back in.
Which then brings the question; given the rate of expansion/contraction of different metals, how well is the weld going to hold on the cast block, during heating of the block to reinstall the sleeve, and normal engine operation(I'm really asking, as I am not a welder)??
Would it leak around or near the weld, or simply fail again at the next weakest point?
And, if the crack is directly behind the liner, then any weld would have to be ground completely smooth and flush before the sleeve could be put back in.
Which then brings the question; given the rate of expansion/contraction of different metals, how well is the weld going to hold on the cast block, during heating of the block to reinstall the sleeve, and normal engine operation(I'm really asking, as I am not a welder)??
I can tell you I've welded the heads of aluminum Rotax karting engines and Honda Motocross engines and they've held for years of abuse. Whatever that's worth in comparison idk.
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Sixpack577 (07-09-2020)
#836
I wonder, my tune will be for a 01 silverado with a 5,3L LM7 but in reality though I've a 2003 (or was it 04?) Tahoe EXC with a LM4 as a donor motor. Everyone seems to say that these are the same minus the fact that the LM4 is an aluminum block but I wonder if there's any further differences in tuning worth giving any time to. Of course there's always very small gains in a specific tuning an engine but if it's very minimal, who cares.
#837
#838
I pinned all 8 of mine prior to the rebuild, trying to stop what turned out to be worn bearing noise, not a slipped sleeve tapping.
The sleeves can definately come up more than a thousandth too, based on pictures I've seen, where the sleeve hammers into the bottom of the head gasket as it moves up and down.
So much so that I would guess they can move at least .015 to .020", maybe even a little more.
Really the head and head gasket are the only thing limiting it's travel up anyway(obviously, lol), so however far it can punch into whatever material type and thickness of the head gasket.
I think the cracked blocks can be repaired with the top-hat sleeves with o-rings, and I have not read of those failing.
I was actually going to buy a set from a member here, but had the same problem he did, no machine shops within several hours of me would do it.
I'm also curious of the o-ring's life span in that kind of heat, especially if the sleeve is surrounded by coolant from a cracked block, and the o-ring is all that stops it from leaking out of the bottom of the sleeve.
As said, mine was seeping coolant between 3 sleeves and the block, and out of the top, not the bottom(at least from what I could see).
Extinct is still supposed to get that block too, and he said he has some tests in mind to learn more about the issue, so his results should be interesting.
The sleeves can definately come up more than a thousandth too, based on pictures I've seen, where the sleeve hammers into the bottom of the head gasket as it moves up and down.
So much so that I would guess they can move at least .015 to .020", maybe even a little more.
Really the head and head gasket are the only thing limiting it's travel up anyway(obviously, lol), so however far it can punch into whatever material type and thickness of the head gasket.
I think the cracked blocks can be repaired with the top-hat sleeves with o-rings, and I have not read of those failing.
I was actually going to buy a set from a member here, but had the same problem he did, no machine shops within several hours of me would do it.
I'm also curious of the o-ring's life span in that kind of heat, especially if the sleeve is surrounded by coolant from a cracked block, and the o-ring is all that stops it from leaking out of the bottom of the sleeve.
As said, mine was seeping coolant between 3 sleeves and the block, and out of the top, not the bottom(at least from what I could see).
Extinct is still supposed to get that block too, and he said he has some tests in mind to learn more about the issue, so his results should be interesting.
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#840
I hope everyone has been doing well. I wanted to say that we are very excited that over 35 kits have been sold. Parts have travelled as far as France, where one bellhousing setup is being used in a 5.7L LS1, 4HP24, Defender-based RallyX truck! We also have several installers throughout the country that have experience with the kit now. I have been working on a few new projects that y’all will be excited about and I’ll follow up on soon.
As always, if you have any questions, feel free to send me an email.
As always, if you have any questions, feel free to send me an email.