Cannibal V8 - Anyone with experience with them
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jun 2012
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From: Cumming Ga
Brand new member, first time post. I'm Mike from Great Plains Rovers. Sold a motor to a member who mentioned the forum so I got on to check it out and wanted to add my two cents.
Cannibal - good guys who do good work.
D&D - never met him but heard he knows his stuff.
gprTech - doesn't work for me.
3 year warranty - believe in what I'm selling and will stand behind it.
"sounded salesy on the phone" - first I've heard that one but I'll work on it.
The only negative I know of other than the "salesy" observation of my company is that we've struggled with timing. I agree and I'm working on it. Trying to get some motors built and on the shelf to cut down the turnaround time.
Have a good weekend and happy Rovering!
Mike
Cannibal - good guys who do good work.
D&D - never met him but heard he knows his stuff.
gprTech - doesn't work for me.
3 year warranty - believe in what I'm selling and will stand behind it.
"sounded salesy on the phone" - first I've heard that one but I'll work on it.
The only negative I know of other than the "salesy" observation of my company is that we've struggled with timing. I agree and I'm working on it. Trying to get some motors built and on the shelf to cut down the turnaround time.
Have a good weekend and happy Rovering!
Mike
Also, Is it true that you came from Cannibal before forming GPR?
thanks
David
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re: is senior-member code for "i post frequently, therefore I am.." ????
A senior member on here is one with 100 plus posts, there is no fee for membership, or examination required. All are welcome as long as postings ae reasonably clean (people do view this on work PCs, so gotta be careful on other's behalf). We have owners, DIY owners, some pro techs that keep diagnostic skills sharp, and even some business owners. Free "plugs" are the norm, but if a spammer just blabs about something skanky or questionable on his web site they get deleted. Any company is welcome, and we encourage them to provide in depth education for us mere mortals about specific points. More along the "we use this product or method because it does a better job with whatever"; as opposed to "that guy is a drug sniffing thief who wil steal parts off your truck". And not posts that always point to your product source in China with no contribution of vehicle facts to spread some of your knowledge. Or just offering DVDs of old TV shows.
The pro engine shops are for that level of owner who wants the Rover as a part of his family life and is willing to pay top dollar. A guy that just bought a $1500 D1 might not be joining that club. The cost of an engine job makes a used LR3 look attractive.
The number of posts does not make you an expert. It does after a point show a devotion the breed and spare time whittled away when you could be working on things around the house. I've posted over 12,000 times. Certainly does not mean I know 100 times more than someone who has posted 120 times. We have all sorts of owners on here, doctors, lawyers, engineers, any background. And multiple countries. We are all afflicted with Rover Rash, and the only known cure is another Rover.
It is said that a wise man learns from his mistakes. And a brilliant man learns from the mistakes of others. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. The forum provides a fun way to share knowledge, hopefully prevent problems or point out alternate solutions, and have a little fun.
Soap box now open for the next person with rhino hide ready to step up. Of course, being Rover owners, we enjoy mud slinging.
A senior member on here is one with 100 plus posts, there is no fee for membership, or examination required. All are welcome as long as postings ae reasonably clean (people do view this on work PCs, so gotta be careful on other's behalf). We have owners, DIY owners, some pro techs that keep diagnostic skills sharp, and even some business owners. Free "plugs" are the norm, but if a spammer just blabs about something skanky or questionable on his web site they get deleted. Any company is welcome, and we encourage them to provide in depth education for us mere mortals about specific points. More along the "we use this product or method because it does a better job with whatever"; as opposed to "that guy is a drug sniffing thief who wil steal parts off your truck". And not posts that always point to your product source in China with no contribution of vehicle facts to spread some of your knowledge. Or just offering DVDs of old TV shows.
The pro engine shops are for that level of owner who wants the Rover as a part of his family life and is willing to pay top dollar. A guy that just bought a $1500 D1 might not be joining that club. The cost of an engine job makes a used LR3 look attractive.
The number of posts does not make you an expert. It does after a point show a devotion the breed and spare time whittled away when you could be working on things around the house. I've posted over 12,000 times. Certainly does not mean I know 100 times more than someone who has posted 120 times. We have all sorts of owners on here, doctors, lawyers, engineers, any background. And multiple countries. We are all afflicted with Rover Rash, and the only known cure is another Rover.
It is said that a wise man learns from his mistakes. And a brilliant man learns from the mistakes of others. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. The forum provides a fun way to share knowledge, hopefully prevent problems or point out alternate solutions, and have a little fun.
Soap box now open for the next person with rhino hide ready to step up. Of course, being Rover owners, we enjoy mud slinging.
Winching
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re: is senior-member code for "i post frequently, therefore I am.." ????
A senior member on here is one with 100 plus posts, there is no fee for membership, or examination required. All are welcome as long as postings ae reasonably clean (people do view this on work PCs, so gotta be careful on other's behalf). We have owners, DIY owners, some pro techs that keep diagnostic skills sharp, and even some business owners. Free "plugs" are the norm, but if a spammer just blabs about something skanky or questionable on his web site they get deleted. Any company is welcome, and we encourage them to provide in depth education for us mere mortals about specific points. More along the "we use this product or method because it does a better job with whatever"; as opposed to "that guy is a drug sniffing thief who wil steal parts off your truck". And not posts that always point to your product source in China with no contribution of vehicle facts to spread some of your knowledge. Or just offering DVDs of old TV shows.
The pro engine shops are for that level of owner who wants the Rover as a part of his family life and is willing to pay top dollar. A guy that just bought a $1500 D1 might not be joining that club. The cost of an engine job makes a used LR3 look attractive.
The number of posts does not make you an expert. It does after a point show a devotion the breed and spare time whittled away when you could be working on things around the house. I've posted over 12,000 times. Certainly does not mean I know 100 times more than someone who has posted 120 times. We have all sorts of owners on here, doctors, lawyers, engineers, any background. And multiple countries. We are all afflicted with Rover Rash, and the only known cure is another Rover.
It is said that a wise man learns from his mistakes. And a brilliant man learns from the mistakes of others. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. The forum provides a fun way to share knowledge, hopefully prevent problems or point out alternate solutions, and have a little fun.
Soap box now open for the next person with rhino hide ready to step up. Of course, being Rover owners, we enjoy mud slinging.
A senior member on here is one with 100 plus posts, there is no fee for membership, or examination required. All are welcome as long as postings ae reasonably clean (people do view this on work PCs, so gotta be careful on other's behalf). We have owners, DIY owners, some pro techs that keep diagnostic skills sharp, and even some business owners. Free "plugs" are the norm, but if a spammer just blabs about something skanky or questionable on his web site they get deleted. Any company is welcome, and we encourage them to provide in depth education for us mere mortals about specific points. More along the "we use this product or method because it does a better job with whatever"; as opposed to "that guy is a drug sniffing thief who wil steal parts off your truck". And not posts that always point to your product source in China with no contribution of vehicle facts to spread some of your knowledge. Or just offering DVDs of old TV shows.
The pro engine shops are for that level of owner who wants the Rover as a part of his family life and is willing to pay top dollar. A guy that just bought a $1500 D1 might not be joining that club. The cost of an engine job makes a used LR3 look attractive.
The number of posts does not make you an expert. It does after a point show a devotion the breed and spare time whittled away when you could be working on things around the house. I've posted over 12,000 times. Certainly does not mean I know 100 times more than someone who has posted 120 times. We have all sorts of owners on here, doctors, lawyers, engineers, any background. And multiple countries. We are all afflicted with Rover Rash, and the only known cure is another Rover.
It is said that a wise man learns from his mistakes. And a brilliant man learns from the mistakes of others. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. The forum provides a fun way to share knowledge, hopefully prevent problems or point out alternate solutions, and have a little fun.
Soap box now open for the next person with rhino hide ready to step up. Of course, being Rover owners, we enjoy mud slinging.
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From: Savannah Georgia
It is also important to mention that price of a dealer HG job vs DIY swap out of a top hat re-man block is a more appealing number. In other words, an older engine, looking at HG and more, vs just change out the easy parts and the whole motor. You end up with a "new" engine vs "head gasket, now what will be next". Not for everyone, but certainly worth a look. Especially if you like the truck and have sunk funds into bumper, winch, tires, roof rack; and don't want to start over with another one.
3rd Gear
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The only thing I know about their build is what I read on their site yesterday. You mention different suppliers for cam and sleeves, I don't recall who they use but I use Crower for my cam and lifters and I get my sleeves from Turner Engineering. Other than that, I don't know the differences off hand.
I did not work for Cannibal but a good friend of mine did and he came to work with me a couple of years ago. I had a european salvage yard (Oklahoma European) that did mainly Rovers and Jags but we had benz/bmw/volvo/whatever else we could pick up as well. My partner in the salvage yard has been working on Rovers for 25-30 years and I have been for the last 15 years so we were very familiar with them and were infected with the "rover rash" mentioned in earlier post. We took the combined knowledge the three of us had and added my builders to the mix who are 3rd generation machinists who had built all of our engines (rover/jag/etc...) for us for the last 20+ years and that's how we came up with the build. I formed Great Plains Rovers to solely focus on building engines and not run the salvage yard anymore.
That's the back story, hope that sheds some light.
Take care,
Mike
I did not work for Cannibal but a good friend of mine did and he came to work with me a couple of years ago. I had a european salvage yard (Oklahoma European) that did mainly Rovers and Jags but we had benz/bmw/volvo/whatever else we could pick up as well. My partner in the salvage yard has been working on Rovers for 25-30 years and I have been for the last 15 years so we were very familiar with them and were infected with the "rover rash" mentioned in earlier post. We took the combined knowledge the three of us had and added my builders to the mix who are 3rd generation machinists who had built all of our engines (rover/jag/etc...) for us for the last 20+ years and that's how we came up with the build. I formed Great Plains Rovers to solely focus on building engines and not run the salvage yard anymore.
That's the back story, hope that sheds some light.
Take care,
Mike
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 408
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From: Cumming Ga
The only thing I know about their build is what I read on their site yesterday. You mention different suppliers for cam and sleeves, I don't recall who they use but I use Crower for my cam and lifters and I get my sleeves from Turner Engineering. Other than that, I don't know the differences off hand.
I did not work for Cannibal but a good friend of mine did and he came to work with me a couple of years ago. I had a european salvage yard (Oklahoma European) that did mainly Rovers and Jags but we had benz/bmw/volvo/whatever else we could pick up as well. My partner in the salvage yard has been working on Rovers for 25-30 years and I have been for the last 15 years so we were very familiar with them and were infected with the "rover rash" mentioned in earlier post. We took the combined knowledge the three of us had and added my builders to the mix who are 3rd generation machinists who had built all of our engines (rover/jag/etc...) for us for the last 20+ years and that's how we came up with the build. I formed Great Plains Rovers to solely focus on building engines and not run the salvage yard anymore.
That's the back story, hope that sheds some light.
Take care,
Mike
I did not work for Cannibal but a good friend of mine did and he came to work with me a couple of years ago. I had a european salvage yard (Oklahoma European) that did mainly Rovers and Jags but we had benz/bmw/volvo/whatever else we could pick up as well. My partner in the salvage yard has been working on Rovers for 25-30 years and I have been for the last 15 years so we were very familiar with them and were infected with the "rover rash" mentioned in earlier post. We took the combined knowledge the three of us had and added my builders to the mix who are 3rd generation machinists who had built all of our engines (rover/jag/etc...) for us for the last 20+ years and that's how we came up with the build. I formed Great Plains Rovers to solely focus on building engines and not run the salvage yard anymore.
That's the back story, hope that sheds some light.
Take care,
Mike
David
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Recently, I've not heard of anyone unhappy with their top hat block. Perhaps a better question is, anyone have anything they didn't like about their AB/GPR/D&D/JER rebuilt engine???
I'll go first...my GPR block didn't come with the oil pan and PS pump studs pre-installed. A small thing that can take the customer a lot of time/effort, but is very easy for a shop with the right tool. Pretty minor, and when I brought it to Mike's attention, he said future engines will include the studs, so looks like that's a done deal. Other than that, I really got nothin so far.
Someone really needs to just buy a copy of each of these engines for a blind comparo.
Volunteers???
I'll go first...my GPR block didn't come with the oil pan and PS pump studs pre-installed. A small thing that can take the customer a lot of time/effort, but is very easy for a shop with the right tool. Pretty minor, and when I brought it to Mike's attention, he said future engines will include the studs, so looks like that's a done deal. Other than that, I really got nothin so far.
Someone really needs to just buy a copy of each of these engines for a blind comparo.
Volunteers???
Last edited by Dan7; May 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM.
Recently, I've not heard of anyone unhappy with their top hat block. Perhaps a better question is, anyone have anything they didn't like about their AB/GPR/D&D/JER rebuilt engine???
Someone really needs to just buy a copy of each of these engines for a blind comparo.
Volunteers???
Someone really needs to just buy a copy of each of these engines for a blind comparo.
Volunteers???
Rock Crawling
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 408
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From: Cumming Ga
Well I spoke to Steve at Cannibal yesterday and I am very impressed on his knowledge of these motors. He spent quite a bit of time with me on the build. I am excited to see what this motor will be like. He seals the motor prior to assembly (his process)and uses Erson products for the Cam and lifters (these are custom to a Cannibal spec not standard spec). He custom grinds the Crankshaft as well. The Top Hats are custom made as well. He wants my front cover - they rebuild it with new gear sets and anything else if needed and this will be installed before completion by them and warranteed. My build will receive media blasted valve covers. My motor is in line to be built and well be ready in the next couple of weeks. I have ordered a new waterpump as well. I can't wait to see it getting installed in a few weeks as my Trek is scheduled for engine removal next week. All of this is being done by The Shop in Atlanta. They have done about 10 of these motors and have the Cannibal break-in procedure for these set in stone. I think my confidence level is rising on the fact that this motor will not leave me like a pissed off girlfriend in heat! 